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re: The U.S. does not have a housing shortage, it has a crime problem shrinking livable areas

Posted on 2/10/23 at 6:25 pm to
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20533 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 6:25 pm to
Should have sent them all back to Africa, damn you Booth.
Posted by South21
Member since Jul 2019
1635 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 6:31 pm to
the violence that we have to live with is disgusting. Many have been brainwashed to think its normal. Looks at crime indexes across the world. I'll randomly select to compare Austria and Angola..
Posted by CouldaShot79
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2021
600 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 6:45 pm to
All correct. The enabling and celebration instead of condemnation of black culture over decades has landed us here. Just like every other issue on the sociopolitical spectrum, personal responsibility has been thrown out en lieu of excuses and programs that buy votes under the guise of support.
Posted by Tomatocantender
Boot
Member since Jun 2021
5577 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 6:52 pm to
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It sounds like you've come to understand the purpose of federal govt housing programs. White flight props up the construction industry.


I'll be honest, I've never heard it broken down this precisely. Well said.
Posted by Buryl
Member since Sep 2016
1022 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 7:03 pm to
Your interpretation is misleading. The top 3 cities for vacancies (by percentage) are Orlando, Miami,and Tampa. That isn't because of crime. These are due to massively expensive homes, rentals, investment properties, etc.

Crime and economic downturn accounts for only a portion of the vacancy. High home prices are just as much to blame.

US Home Vacancies
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33944 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 7:14 pm to
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Your interpretation is misleading.


Maybe to you. I never said, or even insinuated, that crime was the cause of all of the vacancies.

It is a huge problem though.

In Detroit, 20 percent of the total houses are vacant - 53,000 homes.

Nationwide, about 60 percent of the vacant houses are vacant not by choice.




Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41329 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 7:19 pm to
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No one is debating the housing shortage in rural North Dakota, or even Louisiana.


You sure about that?
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41329 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 7:20 pm to
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Nationwide, about 60 percent of the vacant houses are vacant not by choice.


Almost 100% of vacancies are vacant by choice, only those condemned are not vacant by choice.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33944 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 7:21 pm to
Where is there a housing shortage in rural Louisiana?

And not the suburbs, actual rural.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41329 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 7:27 pm to
An absolute ton of the suburbs used to be rural towns. Gonzales, prairieville, St. Amant, Covington, Folsom, Denham, Bosier were all rural
Towns 20 years ago.

Most, if not all rural towns close enough for a 1 hour commute to a city have become suburbs of their closest cities and are all now experiencing a housing crisis.

So you just want to argue that current rural towns like Washington, or Platenville, or Amite, or Concent have plenty of space? Cool. You are long arse distances away from any opportunity afforded by population density.

And here’s a hint about those places drugs are REALLY bad and the second you have a bunch of non-locals building nice-ish homes there, they are going to strip all the AC units of copper, and frick those towns up too
Posted by painman1
Member since Jan 2023
295 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 7:39 pm to
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For the most part all homogeneous societies…


Are ghettos not homogeneous? As their culture spread into the rural areas they bring their criminal behavior with them. Hence the rise in crime in Ascension and Livingston Parishes.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33944 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 7:43 pm to
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Almost 100% of vacancies are vacant by choice,


What? This is completely false, unless your definition of choice is different than mine.
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
6010 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 7:44 pm to
Bad parenting translates to housing shortage

Free good parenting!
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78216 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 7:56 pm to
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There are currently around 16 million vacant homes in the United States. Many of these are in areas that no one will live in due to crime.


What’s the breakdown of this?

There is a housing crisis in poor crime filled areas.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
43913 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 7:58 pm to
Plenty of areas of Bham come to mind: Norwood and Ensley, parts of Fairfield and Bessemer. Old neighborhoods when they built them right. Rock solid houses, wide streets, proximity to schools and local businesses, sidewalks everywhere. I’ve often considered slowly buying up distressed properties in a certain ‘bad’ area of town and eventually taking it over.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33944 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 8:03 pm to
Yes, it’s sad. Some of the best areas to live in country are virtually uninhabitable by anyone who has other options.

Old neighborhoods, great trees, great locations, etc.

Many cities have this issue, yet build neighborhoods on the farmland outside of town.

Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41329 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 8:05 pm to
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quote: Almost 100% of vacancies are vacant by choice, What? This is completely false, unless your definition of choice is different than mine.


Are people choosing or not choosing to live in them?
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41329 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 8:07 pm to
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Many cities have this issue, yet build neighborhoods on the farmland outside of town.


It’s easier to ignore the real problem and get more tax dollars through “development” than spend money to fix it
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33944 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 8:25 pm to
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Are people choosing or not choosing to live in them?


People die, houses get repossessed, people have rentals that won’t rent, houses get sold in tax sales, people move and then can’t sell their old house.

There are dozens of reasons. Are you being obtuse?
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41329 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 8:28 pm to
No. I’m arguing semantics and stats. You said 60% aren’t occupied by choice.

I’m saying that unless the government has decried a place unfit for inhabitation, it’s unoccupied by choice.
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