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re: 'The toll of the anti-vaccination movement, in one devastating graphic'
Posted on 1/24/14 at 3:17 am to Carson123987
Posted on 1/24/14 at 3:17 am to Carson123987
His best work is in 9/11 threads.
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 3:17 am to The Boat
o god
Posted on 1/24/14 at 3:22 am to northshorebamaman
quote:If you have something to bring to the table, then fricking bring it.
Sigh.
Nothing would make my day better than to find out that government is on my/our side and big corporations do have my/our best interests at heart.
Snide, juvenile remarks, however, aren't getting it done.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 3:32 am to Carson123987
quote:Yeah, the rich and powerful wanting to make trillions....Who could possibly believe that. It's just silly.
His best work is in 9/11 threads.
o god
Posted on 1/24/14 at 3:35 am to TX Tiger
The OT vets are implying you regularly troll. I'm glad to hear you don't believe this shite and aren't fricking brain dead. I'll leave you to your next victim. 
Posted on 1/24/14 at 3:43 am to northshorebamaman
quote:Yeah, I've found that if you don't join in on the circle jerk, you are defined as a troll.
The OT vets are implying you regularly troll.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 9:21 am to TX Tiger
quote:I already addressed this stupid arse argument a couple pages back.
Do you realize how fricking selfish you are to risk the lives of other people by dragging them out to places where they might be exposed?
quote:You know, just because you keep repeating something doesn't make it true. Every bit of information available at the time indicated that SV40 in the vaccines would not be a problem. And you know what? 50 years later, this is still the case.
I couldn't agree more. And for the government to knowingly inject a banned substance (proven to cause cancer) into children is about as fricked up as it gets.
quote:No, you only deserve free will if you wield it responsibly. That is why we put people in jail whenever they intentionally endanger the lives of others.
I only deserve free will if I agree with you?
quote:I know, and it's a shame idiots like you won't listen to reason and are allowing things like the measles to make a comeback. It is truly sickening that you willfully make yourself part of the problem.
I don't know how to break this to you, but you and your opinions have zero impact on my life. Surely you must already know this.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 9:33 am to TX Tiger
quote:
Yeah, I've found that if you don't join in on the circle jerk, you are defined as a troll.
No, you are labeled a troll when the things you say can't possibly be the real logic or thought process of an actual person.
You think like someone with a severe mental impairment, yet you clearly have the ability to use a computer. This is why many people think you're faking it.
I hope they're right.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 9:46 am to TX Tiger
quote:I see your reading comprehension skills are about as poor as I expected.
Well, at least you finally admit it happened.
quote:quote:$$$$$$$$
I don't know what you think the motive would be to knowingly inject people with a dangerous substance in the process of trying to eradicate a dangerous disease.
You couldn't figure that one out on your own?
Money for who? The government? The drug companies in bed with government? Do you have any idea how much money they would lose by giving millions of people cancer? How much economic production would be lost? How many tax dollars? How many costly lawsuits? EVERY medical procedure has risks, and they are calculated and weighed. The advantages of vaccines overwhelmingly outweigh the risks.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 10:43 am to Carson123987
quote:
10/10 trolling brah, keep it up
He's not trolling the dude really believes all of the shite he is saying. He is also a truther so that should tell you all you need to know about him.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 11:38 am to Korkstand
quote:No, the fact that it happened makes it true. And I finally got you to admit it did happen.
I couldn't agree more. And for the government to knowingly inject a banned substance (proven to cause cancer) into children is about as fricked up as it gets.
You know, just because you keep repeating something doesn't make it true.
quote:Wrong. Every bit of information at the time indicated that SV40 should be banned because it was known to cause cancer. So guess what? It was banned.
Every bit of information available at the time indicated that SV40 in the vaccines would not be a problem.
Yet they still injected it into children.
quote:Not according to the CDC, which says there are conflicting reports and more research is needed.
And you know what? 50 years later, this is still the case.
Oh, and it was found later that the technique used to inactivate the polio virus in the injectable vaccine, by means of formaldehyde, did not reliably kill SV40.
Why do you keep ignoring the facts?
quote:Fortunately, we have you to decided who is wielding it responsibly.
I only deserve free will if I agree with you?
No, you only deserve free will if you wield it responsibly.
quote:You just said vaccinations work. Are you trying to make my point or yours?
it's a shame idiots like you won't listen to reason and are allowing things like the measles to make a comeback.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 11:54 am to TX Tiger
quote:
No, the fact that it happened makes it true. And I finally got you to admit it did happen.
No, what I said (and said much earlier in the thread) is that there was concern among the public about SV40, and so it was ordered to be removed from vaccines even though it was widely believed among scientists to not be harmful to humans.
quote:I'm not ignoring anything. I take all available information into account, and the most important bit is that there has been ZERO increase in cancer incidence among those who received tainted vaccines.
Not according to the CDC, which says there are conflicting reports and more research is needed.
Oh, and it was found later that the technique used to inactivate the polio virus in the injectable vaccine, by means of formaldehyde, did not reliably kill SV40.
Why do you keep ignoring the facts?
quote:quote:You just said vaccinations work. Are you trying to make my point or yours?
it's a shame idiots like you won't listen to reason and are allowing things like the measles to make a comeback.
This is probably the dumbest thing you've said so far, and that's saying a lot. Diseases are making a comeback because idiots like yourself keep promoting the anti-vaccine movement.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:39 pm to MFn GIMP
quote:I'm not "saying" anything. I'm presenting the facts.
He's not trolling the dude really believes all of the shite he is saying.
1) Salk polio vaccine released for public use between 1955 and 1963 was contaminated with the already banned SV40.
2) SV40 has been proven to cause cancer in animals. (Hint: They didn't ban it for no reason.)
The only disagreement was whether SV40 was actually being identified in the cancerous tumors of children and adults alive today and, if it was, whether the monkey virus was in fact responsible for their cancer.
I find it interesting that non-government scientists working in independent labs around the world said, “Yes.” But the scientists connected with the U.S. government said “No.”
quote:
Today, there are scientists associated with the US government who continue to deny that SV40 causes human cancer or that SV40 associated cancers have had any effect on cancer rates since the early 1960’s. However, highly credentialed non-government scientists in multiple labs around the world continue to identify SV40 in human brain and lung cancers of children and adults and are finding that SV40 is also associated with bone cancers and Non-Hodgkin’s Lymphomas. The majority of these independent scientists have concluded that, yes, SV40 does cause human cancers.
The Institute of Medicine Immunization Safety Review Committee stated that “in light of the biological evidence supporting the theory that SV40 contamination of polio vaccines could contribute to human cancers, the Committee recommends continued public health attention in the form of policy analysis, communication and targeted biological research.”
LINK
So we don't even know for sure today and we certainly didn't know for sure back then.
That's quite a gamble when you're injecting 10s of MILLIONS of children, wouldn't you say?
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:45 pm to MFn GIMP
quote:
He's not trolling the dude really believes all of the shite he is saying.
No he doesn't. If he REALLY believed 10% of the crap he spews on here, he'd be hiding in a bunker cut off from all of civilization who is supposedly "out to get him" and not hanging out posting on the internet.
It's obviously just a goofy hobby. I guess it's mostly harmless, so whatever floats his boat, I suppose.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 1:02 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
TX Tiger
You have spouted so much bullshite that I can't even address it all. The most telling thing, though, is that the link you provided is to an extremely biased non-profit. It says things like
quote:
Pediatric brain cancer, once rare, rose during the past few decades according to the National Cancer Institute
When the National Cancer Institute actually says
quote:
For childhood brain tumors, the overall incidence rose from 1975 through 2004, from 2.3 to 3.2 cases per 100,000 (2), with the greatest increase occurring from 1983 through l986. An article in the September 2, 1998, issue of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute suggests that the rise in incidence from 1983 through 1986 may not have represented a true increase in the number of cases, but may have reflected new forms of imaging equipment (magnetic resonance imaging or MRI) that enabled visualization of brain tumors that could not be easily visualized with older equipment (3). Other important developments during this time period included the changing classification of brain tumors, which resulted in tumors previously designated as “benign” being reclassified as “malignant,” and improvements in neurosurgical techniques for biopsying brain tumors. Regardless of the explanation for the increase in incidence that occurred from 1983 to 1986, childhood brain tumor incidence has been essentially stable since the mid-1980s.
Do you see how everything you read is a twisting of the facts? Of course you don't.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 1:54 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:I really don't understand the confusion. Every word I've ever posted for 10 years on this board is based on business and dollars. I have been thoroughly entertained over those years by those who try and make it out to be some wild, deep dark, conspiracy theory.
No he doesn't. If he REALLY believed 10% of the crap he spews on here, he'd be hiding in a bunker cut off from all of civilization who is supposedly "out to get him" and not hanging out posting on the internet.
It's not. It's business. Period.
Business doesn't nor should it send me hiding in a bunker cut off from all civilization.
And nobody is "out to get me" although they are, it certainly seems, out to get my $$$$.
quote:No, it's just life. We live in an imperfect world. Some are able to deal with that, while others just can't or won't seem to accept the fact that government and big business do not and never have had my/our best interests at heart.
It's obviously just a goofy hobby.
ETA: On the other hand, I guess it must be nice to still believe in Santa and have Unicorns dancing under rainbows in your backyard.
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 1/24/14 at 1:55 pm to Korkstand
quote:Irony.
Do you see how everything you read is a twisting of the facts?
Posted on 1/24/14 at 1:58 pm to TX Tiger
quote:Ignorance.
Irony.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 1:59 pm to Korkstand
quote:Yeah, that too.
Irony.
Ignorance.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 2:04 pm to TX Tiger
Vaccines are not 100% effective. That is a fact. You seem to think that if 1 person out of 100 does not develop the proper immunity, than the vaccine does not work. There is literally not a single drug that is 100% effective.
Vaccines do work. I hope that is no longer a point of debate in this retarded thread.
Vaccines do work. I hope that is no longer a point of debate in this retarded thread.
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