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re: The state sanctioned mafia known as River Pilots are shaking down the chemical industry
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:11 am to Captain Crackysack
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:11 am to Captain Crackysack
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well part of the reason they get paid what they get paid is for their knowledge of what to do when propulsion and steering systems fail. which happens all the time
And this is what they do:
Call a Tugboat to come help...
It’s not that hard
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Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:12 am to tgrbaitn08
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Experience doesn’t make them better pilots
oh so familial relationship is a better variable to rely upon?
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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you were saying?
What year is the article referencing. One guy says he won't retire until 2003.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:13 am to Captain Crackysack
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well part of the reason they get paid what they get paid is for their knowledge of what to do when propulsion and steering systems fail. which happens all the time
What's the other part?
OH, OH, OH, I KNOW!
Blatant corruption.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:13 am to Captain Crackysack
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im not a pilot but its amazing how most of you literally have no idea what a pilot even does, yet you bash them every chance you get. these ships come from all over the world. 99.9% of them have foreign crews (chinese, filipino, indian, etc.) some ships are kept in great shape, some are not maintained well at all. even a brand new ship can experience mechanical issues at any time. ole captain sanjay gupta is not gonna have the slightest clue about the safest course of action once his ship loses steering downbound on the fricking mississippi river, at night, with a 8kt following current, traffic ahead, and the pillars to the huey p long bridge right off to starboard
I think most folks here are concerned with nepotistic mafia-like hierarchy or these pilot's associations rather than doubting their skills
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:14 am to TulaneFan
lol. there are approximately 230 miles of navigable water between pilot town and baton rouge. you think there are enough tug boats to cover that much area? the answer is no
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:14 am to ThatMakesSense
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The qualifications are still met by the relatives.
Of course they are. No one on here is criticizing the safety record or abilities of the pilots. There are what, hundreds of ship movements on the river between the gulf and BR on a weekly basis, and you hardly ever hear of an incident.
Point is... there are also many other people out there who also have the same skills and talent, and none of them ever get a shot, because of how the groups operate.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:14 am to LSURussian
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I've had some business dealings with the rivers pilot association and it wasn't pleasant. Most entitled bunch of low lifes I've ever met.
I'm sorry you've had such experiences, however I personally know a few NOBRA pilots and they happen to be some the finest gentlemen I've ever met.
I am forever in awe of their ability to navigate a 150,000 ton tanker loaded down with either crude or refined oil, creating a 45 ft. draft, in a river with a very narrow lane of the river that actually has 45 ft. depth, all the while maintaining the proper power to counter a relentless current that wants to take you out of the lane.
Any miscalculation and the consequences run from temporary breakdown in state and federal commerce, millions in lawsuits, careers utterly ruined and death.
It is their intimate knowledge of every aspect of the river that defines their craft. The finest pilots from Sandy Hook to San Francisco, for all practical purposes, would be as useless as you and I in command of a ship on the Mississippi River.
Yeah. They make bank.
This post was edited on 4/3/18 at 10:44 am
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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oh so familial relationship is a better variable to rely upon?
In some instances. Especially if the person has been taught the skill since he was old enough to walk.
This post was edited on 4/3/18 at 10:17 am
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:16 am to TigerstuckinMS
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What's the other part?
OH, OH, OH, I KNOW!
Blatant corruption.
river pilots get paid right in line with thousands of other pilots operating in ports all over the world. so be mad that you cant get in, not at the money they get paid
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:17 am to Captain Crackysack
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lol. there are approximately 230 miles of navigable water between pilot town and baton rouge. you think there are enough tug boats to cover that much area? the answer is no
The answer is yes, there are tugboats that work from the head of passes all the way up to the Port Allen bridge. I worked on them for 5 years, this situation happened all the time. When a ship loses steering they just call a boat to escort them until they get it fixed. Sometimes put up a ship line to guide them
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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The qualifications are still met by the relatives. Unless you show me a quote that says, some 23 yr old kid is making 500k/yr because his daddy pulled some strings. I'd venture to guess that's not the case.
LINK
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Losing candidates usually are older and have more maritime experience and higher grades of U.S. Coast Guard licenses than the winners, according to a review of pilot application files. In this year's NOBRA election, for instance, the five losing candidates had an average of 15 years of experience, versus 5.3 years for the winners.
you were saying?
I think you need to slow your roll.
You're setting ThatMakesSense up for a #MeToo moment.
#MeToo
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:18 am to Captain Crackysack
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so be mad that you cant get in
Yeah. That's where the corruption is. Without protectionism and put up on the open market, those salaries come down. That sound you hear is a point whizzing over your head.
This post was edited on 4/3/18 at 10:22 am
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:19 am to TulaneFan
the answer is no because ive worked on them too. there are plenty of spots on the river where you are SOL if you need a tug.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:19 am to SPEEDY
Are these those guys that pull beside container ships, crawl up a ladder to the bridge and "drive" it into the port?
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:19 am to tgrbaitn08
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oh so familial relationship is a better variable to rely upon?
In some instances. Especially if the person has been taught the skill since he was old enough to walk.
I know you limited it to some instances, but
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:21 am to Captain Crackysack
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river pilots get paid right in line with thousands of other pilots operating in ports all over the world. so be mad that you cant get in, not at the money they get paid
And I'm fairly certain the selection process in those other ports is much more merit-based and much less "who is your daddy" based.
Unless all the other port systems are just as corrupt as ours.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:21 am to Captain Crackysack
Well, as you know, in that case you just go all stop and hope for the best. I’ve seen them stop dead in the middle of the river sometimes. High river is a different story, that’s when they are fricked if there’s no tug around.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:22 am to TH03
Funny how on the river working with family is the best option, yet in any other type of work it usually causes problems.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:22 am to SPEEDY
I've been needing me a good river pilot discussion
This post was edited on 4/3/18 at 10:31 am
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