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re: The road to Appomattox and the end of the Confederacy began on this day 160 years ago
Posted on 4/2/25 at 9:32 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 4/2/25 at 9:32 am to RollTide1987
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This is a fallacy that is not based in fact. Slavery had never been more profitable than it was in 1860. Do you think that shite just ends over night?
Technology and innovation were going to make slavery irrelevant and unprofitable.
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Posted on 4/2/25 at 9:33 am to rockford177
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The finest men ever placed on the planet were our forefather confederate soldiers.
They were manipulated into fighting for rich slave-owners who didn't want to lose their profits.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 9:34 am to dnm3305
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All that bloodshed for blacks to spit in the face of freedom and enslave themselves 160 years later
I thought it was for states' rights?
Posted on 4/2/25 at 9:43 am to Mstate
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On a serious note that final pick by OP is very moving. I know young men fought in the war but seeing a picture of that 14 year old boy bayoneted in the chest. Man, that’s tough and sad.
It should put things in perspective for everyone. They can talk all they want about who was tougher or who deserved what, but, city or country boy, Billy Yank or Johnny Reb, it takes some serious balls to stand and fight someone else. Facing bullets, bayonets, and artillery without running away and even running into those is not a situation the vast majority of us will ever have to face or endure.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 9:43 am to ronricks
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Technology and innovation were going to make slavery irrelevant and unprofitable.
Which would not have affected the South in the short term at all due to it being mostly agricultural. Southern leaders by the late-1850s were no longer calling slavery a "necessary evil" but a "positive good" for society. Plans were afoot to expand the institution dramatically into Kansas and the southwestern territories and even into Latin America via filibustering. Southern elites had immense power in Congress and the Supreme Court and were using their influence to protect slavery. Southern states likewise had no structured plans for compensated emancipation or transitions to free labor. Slave owners had BILLIONS invested in human property and weren't about to give that up due to technological innovation. If anything, they would have adapted the institution to the changing times.
This post was edited on 4/2/25 at 9:45 am
Posted on 4/2/25 at 9:50 am to RollTide1987
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There's a reason why Grant's Army of the Tennessee ran roughshod over the Confederates in the Western Theater for three years. The Union soldiers from Ohio, Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, etc. were all men who lived and worked similarly to their Confederate counterparts.
It had far more to do with superior leadership and logistics. Grant and his staff were much better than the much-ballyhooed Confederate officer corps. Bragg and Polk were highly detrimental to the Confederate effort in the West.
The Western Theatre was conducted over vast distances and was highly contingent on control of the rivers. The Confederacy didn't have the navy nor the infrastructure to properly support their armies.
As for the soldiers, see my previous post. I'll add Confederate advantages in horsemanship and living off the land were short-lived. The Union learned fast.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:05 am to BatonrougeCajun
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Destroying half the country in order to save it still doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Slavery wouldn’t have made it out of the 19th century and had it been allowed to end organically you would have a much better country today.
The Western world was changing their tune towards slavery well before the Civil War. The writing was on the wall that it was going out, but it was hard to say when it would in the South had it been left alone. Even if mechanization became the more economical option, you're left with the question of what to do with the 2.5 million former slaves. The owners would have wanted something in return for them and they weren't considered equals by many.
It was so engrained culturally and economically that I don't know how it gets gone without serious upheaval.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:07 am to DakIsNoLB
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It had far more to do with superior leadership and logistics. Grant and his staff were much better than the much-ballyhooed Confederate officer corps. Bragg and Polk were highly detrimental to the Confederate effort in the West.
The Western Theatre was conducted over vast distances and was highly contingent on control of the rivers. The Confederacy didn't have the navy nor the infrastructure to properly support their armies.
As for the soldiers, see my previous post. I'll add Confederate advantages in horsemanship and living off the land were short-lived. The Union learned fast.
The Union was fighting the war with one hand tied behind their back. Manpower and a mandatory draft weren't needed. The war industries were located up north. The South thought they might had a crack at it by surrounding DC. Even then Lee was looking for a tie to keep hope alive in State Rights. After Gettysburg and specifically, Picketts' charge on day 3, was the end of that dream. To be fair, John Hood begged Longstreet to take the high ground on Big Round Top. Longstreet begged Lee not to charge the next day.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:12 am to dnm3305
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All that bloodshed for blacks to spit in the face of freedom and enslave themselves 160 years later
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:17 am to BatonrougeCajun
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Destroying half the country in order to save it still doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Slavery wouldn’t have made it out of the 19th century
That makes half the country that was willing to die (or send others to do so) for it look a little silly then, doesn't it.
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had it been allowed to end organically you would have a much better country today.
What does "end organically" even mean. Southern states fought tooth and nail, first figuratively and then literally, to preserve the institution of slavery. They also resisted every attempt to limit it's expansion. There is no indication that slavery was on it's way out of the American South in 1860.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:25 am to el Gaucho
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The sad thing is that the reason all Yankees are soys these days is because all the strong ones were killed in the civil war
When people from the nawth visit the south they don’t leave with the impression that white southern men are alpha in any way.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:32 am to GetCocky11
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They were manipulated into fighting for rich slave-owners who didn't want to lose their profits.
Canada eh? If the war was fought in your back yard, you would remember these freedom fighters as heroes. They fought against excessive taxation from the Yankee bastards.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:37 am to rockford177
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They fought against excessive taxation from the Yankee bastards.
Whatever helps you sleep at night
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:52 am to GetCocky11
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They fought against excessive taxation from the Yankee bastards
If that was the case you'd think they would have said that was the reason instead of explicitly saying it was over slavery.
You traitor lovers always conveniently forget about this...
The Declaration of Causes of the Seceding States
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:53 am to Motownsix
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When people from the nawth visit the south they don’t leave with the impression that white southern men are alpha in any way.
Yea they do
Posted on 4/2/25 at 11:09 am to RollTide1987
It's so eery seeing the equipment held by very dead people looking so exactly like mine during reenactments. Obviously it looks the same. But it makes you consider being the dead person when I look over at the same stuff in the picture.
It's probably best we remained one nation going forward. We are very too central-authority oriented today, though...
It's probably best we remained one nation going forward. We are very too central-authority oriented today, though...
Posted on 4/2/25 at 11:24 am to RollTide1987
One 742 Woodsmaster 30-06 and it could have turned the fight around
Posted on 4/2/25 at 11:40 am to rockford177
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The finest men ever placed on the planet were our forefather confederate soldiers.
They were traitors.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 11:42 am to udtiger
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And the beginning of the end of the Constitution.
The opposite.
The constitution was saved.
The confederacy believed that they could still operate as under the articles of confederacy.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 11:46 am to DakIsNoLB
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Even if mechanization became the more economical option, you're left with the question of what to do with the 2.5 million former slaves.
Well, Lincoln was working on that.
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