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The real reason for the 27 million to Floyd's family..
Posted on 3/17/21 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 3/17/21 at 4:24 pm
... is not really anything to do with Derek Chauvin, but the fact that it is Minneapolis police department policy to restrain suspects by kneeling on their necks in that type of situation. They know the police department supervisors are going to testify to that. They know it's in the "general orders", in other words the rule book of the city police department.
The question is did Chauvin knowingly stay there too long? Here's two hypotheticals for ya;
Since Floyd repeated over and over again while he was walking around he "can't breath", what do those words really mean 10-15 minutes later when Chauvin is utilizing department procedure? Particularly if only a few minutes before he died, he was lifting his head and chest up and talking and obviously breathing?
If Chauvin had of let the belligerent Floyd out of that position, and then something bad happened anyway, wouldn't Chauvin be criticized for that?
One of the most logical things I can think of is that they prop Floyd up to sit Indian style against the car. (I think it's called indian style where your butts on the ground but calves are crossed) What if Floyd then started banging his own head against the trunk of the car in a rocking motion, then fell over unconscious anyway. Then the critics are going to say,
"well you knew the ambulance was going to be there in 3 minutes why didn't you just leave him where you had him? You knew 15 minutes ago he said over and over he couldn't breath"
The question is did Chauvin knowingly stay there too long? Here's two hypotheticals for ya;
Since Floyd repeated over and over again while he was walking around he "can't breath", what do those words really mean 10-15 minutes later when Chauvin is utilizing department procedure? Particularly if only a few minutes before he died, he was lifting his head and chest up and talking and obviously breathing?
If Chauvin had of let the belligerent Floyd out of that position, and then something bad happened anyway, wouldn't Chauvin be criticized for that?
One of the most logical things I can think of is that they prop Floyd up to sit Indian style against the car. (I think it's called indian style where your butts on the ground but calves are crossed) What if Floyd then started banging his own head against the trunk of the car in a rocking motion, then fell over unconscious anyway. Then the critics are going to say,
"well you knew the ambulance was going to be there in 3 minutes why didn't you just leave him where you had him? You knew 15 minutes ago he said over and over he couldn't breath"
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Posted on 3/17/21 at 4:25 pm to carguymatt
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he said over and over he couldn't breath
Fun fact: you can't talk if you can't breathe
Posted on 3/17/21 at 4:26 pm to carguymatt
Sir this is a Wendy's
Posted on 3/17/21 at 4:26 pm to carguymatt
Were they responsible for him dying of Fentanyl overdose as the autopsy showed?
Posted on 3/17/21 at 4:30 pm to carguymatt
We will that’s a long post..... All I know is if George didn’t break the law in the first place we would not be having this conversation.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 4:30 pm to terd ferguson
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Fun fact: you can't talk if you can't breathe
Devil’s advocate: you can talk and have trouble breathing at the same time.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 4:32 pm to carguymatt
A few years ago they would have given what little money they had to take that criminal off their hands.
Precious little Floyd's rap sheet
Precious little Floyd's rap sheet
Posted on 3/17/21 at 4:34 pm to dukke v
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All I know is if George didn’t break the law in the first place we would not be having this conversation.
Chicken and egg.
Did Floyd ingest all the fentanyl because he was about to be arrested? Was this dude about to die of an overdose anyways, or did him getting confronted by the cops force the action?
This post was edited on 3/17/21 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 3/17/21 at 4:34 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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Devil’s advocate: you can talk and have trouble breathing at the same time.
Double Devil’s Advocate: not sooo much when you’ve got enough fentanyl in your system to put down a horse
Posted on 3/17/21 at 4:36 pm to carguymatt
He is getting off. The city got ahead of this. Probably avoided some headache and legal fees. It was a strategic move.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 4:38 pm to stout
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Were they responsible for him dying of Fentanyl overdose as the autopsy showed?
I really don't see how the prosecution gets around this. Not sure as the defense attorney I'd offer any defense other than that.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 4:39 pm to carguymatt
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Indian style
Racist
Posted on 3/17/21 at 4:39 pm to carguymatt
How much will the prosecution’s case depend on the amount of time it took Chauvin and the other officers to call for paramedics once Floyd became unresponsive?
Edit: will the charges stick if they can merely prove reckless negligence, or did they overcharge if it their case comes down to negligence?
Edit: will the charges stick if they can merely prove reckless negligence, or did they overcharge if it their case comes down to negligence?
This post was edited on 3/17/21 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 3/17/21 at 4:41 pm to dukke v
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All I know is if George didn’t break the law in the first place we would not be having this conversation.
Or if he had just done what the police told him like most law-abiding citizens instead of eating all the drugs he had in the car.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
His family is damn glad he bit the dust. It was either that, him winding up in jail for a longer time than his last stint or moving back home.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 4:46 pm to AUCE05
quote:Intended to paint the PD and Chauvin in a guilty manner to taint the verdict/jury.
It was a strategic move.
Kinda worked since 2 jurors were removed admitting it biased them towards guilty before hearing any evidence.
Now to see if the Judge will delay the trial or even change venue over the timing of the payola, er, settlement.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 5:07 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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How much will the prosecution’s case depend on the amount of time it took Chauvin and the other officers to call for paramedics once Floyd became unresponsive?
Edit: will the charges stick if they can merely prove reckless negligence, or did they overcharge if it their case comes down to negligence?
I had to go back and read up on the timeline of May 25th. Looks like paramedics were called prior to Floyd becoming unresponsive. But I would think the prosecutors would try to hone in on whether police officers (usually trained first-responders themselves) should have acted more to assess the situation and attempt to resuscitate Floyd once he became unresponsive.
Just wondering if the manslaughter charge is the charge most likely to stick.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 5:13 pm to Sidicous
I dont think the powers at the city care at this point. They had their PR move by arresting DC. In the court of public opinion, they did their job. The city also knows DC will walk a free man, and sue the city. They will pay him off, too.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 5:14 pm to carguymatt
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they prop Floyd up to sit Indian style
Racist
Posted on 3/17/21 at 5:17 pm to stout
IMO, appears he was going to die from swallowing evidence anyway. Chauvin had him cuffed. Seems like the easy play would have been to simply get off of him and keep him face down on the street. The knee (or any weight on him) wasn't needed. IDK. Hindsight and all.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 5:18 pm to carguymatt
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Indian style
The Cleveland baseball team and Elizabeth warren will be getting with you shortly.
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