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re: The Radium Girls — still glowing in their coffins

Posted on 5/9/17 at 9:44 am to
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 9:44 am to
What teeth she had left. Many of the girls had most of their teeth falling out randomly.
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Posted by supadave3
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2005
31781 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 9:51 am to
Not nearly the same, but my dad tells stories about playing with mercury as a kid. He said they would hold it in their hands and pass it around the classroom. Little did they know.....
Posted by KingBarkus
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2009
8436 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 9:55 am to
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Not nearly the same, but my dad tells stories about playing with mercury as a kid. He said they would hold it in their hands and pass it around the classroom. Little did they know.....


Wait. That's bad? I did that as a kid in school.
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
17095 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 10:04 am to
Radium-226 is an alpha. Not some beta like Radium-228.

Sorry, not sorry for the bad chemistry joke.

Luckily with Radium-226 almost all radiation emitted is alpha radiation which cannot penetrate skin or clothes and is only hazardous if ingested or inhaled.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88431 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 10:09 am to
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e how careless and cruel workers were treated in the past.

not to set off a TD nuke here, but that's also the precise reason that labor unions were formed
Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
9246 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 10:12 am to
I worked with Radioactive Materials for nearly 20 years. This is the usual case study for Radiation Biology and is certainly among the more fascinating incidents.

Other good ones are the Marshall Islanders after the US atomic bomb testing in the Pacific. The US failed to consider wind direction and they were exposed to a tremendous amount of fallout. Obviously, the atomic bomb survivors are a good one too.

There was also a study done which was somewhat comical. A scientist was looking to analyze the effects of radiation on sperm. He devised what amounted to a commode where the individuals would sit and then their testicles were exposed to x-ray radiation. The long-term goal was to establish whether or not this would cause birth defects.

As you might expect it was difficult to find people willing to participate in the experiment. So the only group he found was actually prison inmates in Alabama if I remember correctly. He would bribe them to participate using things like cigarettes. Because they were prisoners many of which had life sentences this made the study difficult to complete as most of them are not breeding.

More recently, a teenager in Michigan created a small nuclear reactor in his backyard using every day household items like radium watch dials, lantern mantles and parts from smoke detectors. They wrote a book about him called the Atomic Boy Scout. A fascinating read. There are a few pics of him covered in radiation induced burns.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27574 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 10:18 am to
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We need some government regulation. People who want everything 100% deregulated have no concept of the history of the working class.


I swear sometimes I think company stores could be advocated and some people would go for it.

One hospital system in Houston, Memorial Herman, has only one insurance option. Their own insurance. It is no cheaper and no better than any other. Worse in some cases. It's only one item but it is similar to a company store and it is a huge item.
Posted by atxfan
Member since Jul 2004
4066 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 10:19 am to
Honestly had no idea that radium was used to make the clock dials glow.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88431 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 10:25 am to
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Honestly had no idea that radium was used to make the clock dials glow.



used in emergency exit signs in older airliners
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 10:25 am to
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it just came out in his hand along with a chunk of her jaw bone

Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
9246 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 10:26 am to
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Honestly had no idea that radium was used to make the clock dials glow.


Still being used to this day.
Posted by Arkapigdiesel
Faulkner County
Member since Jun 2009
15412 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 10:40 am to
Interesting article. I've never heard about this until now.
Posted by bengalbait
Grove Lounge
Member since Sep 2009
4590 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 10:40 am to
What about Fluoroscopes used in shoe stores in the 40-70's. Any one could put their feet in the thing and zap it with radiation never thinking it would cause problems. Hell in my own profession dentists in the 1920's on, would focus their radiology beams using their thumbs on X ray plates multiple times a day. Many of these guys lost not just their thumbs but significant portions of their hands as well.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27574 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 10:41 am to
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Still being used to this day.


Outlawed in 1968??
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 10:51 am to
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As much as I deplore governmental regulatory intrusion into our lives it just goes to prove how careless and cruel workers were treated in the past.



Don't go too far with that.

What it really demonstrates is that a large part of the safety regulations we have today are because lots of people were killed due to ignorance. People simply didn't know any better.
Posted by tss22h8
30.4 N 90.9 W
Member since Jan 2007
18791 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 11:04 am to
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If the girls blew their noses, their handkerchiefs glowed
Posted by jackmanusc
Columbia, SC
Member since Apr 2012
3948 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 12:17 pm to
Posted by skiptumahloo
Member since Mar 2017
714 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 12:44 pm to
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They thought radium was practically harmless.


The medical applications of radionuclides for treating things like tumors were noticed before the harm that ionizing radiation could do to healthy tissue was understood. As a result, many people thought exposure to radium was always beneficial.

It wasn't just used to make glowing watch dials and night lights. They used to put it in tonic water, toothpaste, and and even very popular beauty cremes like "Tho-Radia" whose print ads are fascinating to look at in hindsight.

As far as I know, the concentration of radium in these products was very low, so they likely only resulted in an increased risk of cancer and not the kind of truly gruesome radiation poisoning that the radium girls suffered. But the reason the radium concentrations were low was simply to keep costs down, not because they were worried about its effects.
Posted by mikrit54
Robeline
Member since Oct 2013
8664 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 1:02 pm to
Downloaded 2 days ago. Up next to read.
Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
9246 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 2:03 pm to
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Outlawed in 1968??


Sorry, should have been more explicit. Still used in medical implants to treat certain tumors. Although brachytherapy seems to be a dying industry.
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