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re: The people’s votes don’t matter anymore in Austin.....
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:36 am to SUB
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:36 am to SUB
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Really? Or are the mental issues secondary to drug addiction?
You usually don't develop schizophrenia or acute personality disorders from substance abuse. However, a shocking number of people with those disorders develop substance issues.
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Is there any data to back this up? I'd really like to know what % of them ended up homeless due to fallout from drug addiction versus those that had serious mental issues and couldn't take care of themselves.
Yes. A huge part of that is the removal/closure of psych wards. I linked a very good website that references tons of studies on the subject.
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Numerous studies have reported that approximately one-third of homeless persons have a serious mental illness, mostly schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. The percentage is higher among those who are chronically homeless and among homeless women and is lower among homeless families. If overall one-third of homeless persons are seriously mentally ill, that means that there are approximately 250,000 homeless persons with serious mental illnesses in the US.
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Lack of treatment for the most seriously mentally ill causes the kind of delusions and bizarre behavior that makes living alone or at home with families untenable. As a result, many become people with untreated serious mental illness become homeless and communities are forced to bear the cost of that.
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in Berkeley, California, “on any given night there are 1,000 to 1,200 people sleeping on the streets. Half of them are deinstitutionalized mentally ill people. It’s like a mental ward on the streets.”l
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Homelessness among mentally ill is associated with fewer psychiatric hospital beds. In 2006, Markowitz published data on 81 US cities, looking at correlations between the decreasing availability of psychiatric hospital beds and the increase in crime, arrest rates, and homelessness. As expected, he found direct correlations. This is consistent with past studies in Massachusetts and Ohio that reported that 27 and 36 percent of the discharges from state mental hospitals had become homeless within six months. It is also consistent with a study in New York that found that 38 percent of discharges from a state hospital had “no known address” six months later.
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And I'm not saying there aren't tons of homeless that are just junkies with no other mental issues besides addiction. There are, absolutely.
But a HUGE percentage of homeless have severe mental illness that has gone untreated and is the primary cause for their homelessness.
This post was edited on 5/5/21 at 9:43 am
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Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:39 am to CatfishJohn
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Usually the addiction is secondary to a mental issue. A huge percentage of them have untreated personality disorders/schizophrenia/etc.
You can say this about poverty. You do crimes to pay for drug addiction, hard to get work because of criminal background and your drug use, you resort to more crime and instead of getting yourself out of poverty you continue to do drugs.
You may have had a mental health issue, but that doesn't mean you go smoke crack or shoot up heroin. That is the worst thing you can do. It's still a choice.
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:45 am to dgnx6
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You may have had a mental health issue, but that doesn't mean you go smoke crack or shoot up heroin. That is the worst thing you can do. It's still a choice.
I don't think you get it. This isn't "I'm sad, I'm going to do heroin".
This is "I think the CIA is putting microchips in my head when I sleep". They aren't living in reality.
Again, as I said in my last post, there are certainly tons of junkies with no real mental disorders besides addiction. But there are also just as many, if not more, that are homeless primarily because they are truly batshit crazy. Those people literally do substances to quiet the voices in their heads.
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:46 am to CatfishJohn
Also I agree they shouldn't be allowed to camp out anywhere and destroy cities.
The answer is to bring back state owned psych wards. It's sad, but it's the best thing for most of them.
The answer is to bring back state owned psych wards. It's sad, but it's the best thing for most of them.
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:47 am to CatfishJohn
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And I'm not saying there aren't tons of homeless that are just junkies with no other mental issues besides addiction. There are, absolutely.
But a HUGE percentage of homeless have severe mental illness that has gone untreated and is the primary cause for their homelessness.
Ah, I misunderstood. I thought you were implying that most of the homeless have those mental issues. But yes, 1/3 is still a large number. Thanks for sharing the info.
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:51 am to CatfishJohn
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The answer is to bring back state owned psych wards. It's sad, but it's the best thing for most of them.
ACLU saw an end to that.
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:52 am to BabyTac
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Austin...the city council says hold my beer. Designating areas where homeless people can camp....
I suggest San Francisco.
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:54 am to Oilfieldbiology
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ACLU saw an end to that.
Yep.
Yet law enforcement and family members can still easily get involuntary holds placed on patients in regular hospitals. These patients often stay in hospitals, taking beds from other patients, for days on end before being discharged to the street.
It's absurd. We can bring back psych wards and just not have them be lab rats getting shock therapy and lobotomies like the old days. We need a place for these people that is off the streets and where they can be monitored to make sure they're taking medication.
Look up "The Baker Act" in Florida.
If you guys can't tell, I deal with this a lot in real life
Posted on 5/5/21 at 10:01 am to CatfishJohn
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This is "I think the CIA is putting microchips in my head when I sleep". They aren't living in reality.
That's like the Boulder shooter. But that dude wasn't homeless.
Plus you can get priority housing with chronic mental health issues. There are avenues for people to not be on the streets.
I'm not saying all of these people are rt in the head. But doing shite like crack or railing Adderall, saw this with my old roommate, you exacerbate your problems.
My old roommate was normal for the 12 years I knew him. Started abusing Adderall, next thing you know he's almost burning the house down lighting candles trying to get demons out of the house.The drug use absolutely triggered those voices in his head. Lost his job and was hospitalized. Went to move back with his parents, stopped doing drugs and now works construction.
This post was edited on 5/5/21 at 10:03 am
Posted on 5/5/21 at 10:04 am to dgnx6
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Plus you can get priority housing with chronic mental health issues. There are avenues for people to not be on the streets.
There are, but in most areas they're still woefully inadequate.
And good luck getting someone with severe mental issues to seek out help on their own. A lot of them can hardly manage their own medications or get dressed in the morning without assistance.
Posted on 5/5/21 at 10:06 am to The Spleen
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And good luck getting someone with severe mental issues to seek out help on their own. A lot of them can hardly manage their own medications or get dressed in the morning without assistance.
I see a lot of homeless here in Nola up and dressed in the mornings.
This post was edited on 5/5/21 at 10:07 am
Posted on 5/5/21 at 10:07 am to SUB
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Or are the mental issues secondary to drug addiction?
Addiction can make people behave mentally ill while abusing substances but it doesn't create new mental illness. It does exacerbate preexisting conditions though, especially if they are previously not diagnosed. In most cases, drug use is created from someone trying to self medicate which then spirals quick.
Posted on 5/5/21 at 10:24 am to dgnx6
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Started abusing Adderall, next thing you know he's almost burning the house down lighting candles trying to get demons out of the house.The drug use absolutely triggered those voices in his head.
Aderall doesn’t cause schizophrenia.
That is definitely a major psych problem that often shows it’s ugly face in the 19 - 25 year age range. A friend of mine from high school suffers from it. Was doing great until her sophomore year at ULL.
Something like aderall isn’t going to help it, but it’s not going to cause those horrid symptoms.
This post was edited on 5/5/21 at 10:28 am
Posted on 5/5/21 at 10:41 am to goofball
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The drug use absolutely triggered those voices in his head.
that's temporary psychosis from not sleeping on methamphetamines or amphetamines, not necessarily schizophrenia
Posted on 5/5/21 at 10:42 am to Paul Allen
Zoom in on that Congress Street bridge. Was there last weekend. Damn tents & trash everywhere right at the door of the bridge. Everywhere we went downtown, there was tents & trash.
It most certainly would be a beautiful place if their local government wouldn’t incentivize the druggies to stay in Austin.
It most certainly would be a beautiful place if their local government wouldn’t incentivize the druggies to stay in Austin.
Posted on 5/5/21 at 4:35 pm to Paul Allen
That stadium ain’t finished son. We’re working in it now.
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:29 pm to illinitiger
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illinitiger
Jerk
Posted on 5/5/21 at 10:31 pm to Winston Cup
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so whats you solution of what to do with all these homeless people?
Let the fentanyl run its course
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