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The Origin of the Christmas Tree

Posted on 12/24/21 at 9:08 am
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 12/24/21 at 9:08 am
Contrary to popular secular opinion, Christmas trees do not have their roots in paganism as the first Christmas trees didn't begin popping up in the living rooms of people's houses until about the year 1576. This is not only many centuries after the Christianization of Europe it is also after the Protestant Reformation. There are no records of Christmas trees in earlier centuries when there were still pagans around, leaving a clear gap in the historical record where after Europe has been Christianized it's only hundreds of years later that you get Christmas trees.

So where did they come from? Historians have several theories but the most common and accepted one has to do with the subject of Adam and Eve. December 24 is commonly known to Christians as Christmas Eve. But it is also the feast day of Adam and Eve. During the Middle Ages, it was common for Christians to celebrate this feast day with a play that honored Adam and Eve. The Garden of Eden was often represented in this play by a tree that had been decorated with apples.

After the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century, there were a number of German states which outlawed this play from occurring in public view. As a result, and likely as a form of protest, German Catholics began decorating trees with apples within the safety of their own homes. Over the years, these apples would turn into ornaments and we would get the Christmas trees that we know and love today.

Merry Christmas to my fellow O-Ters and may your days be merry and bright.
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 12/24/21 at 9:20 am to
Fir sure.
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 12/24/21 at 9:46 am to
They spruced up a dreary house in the midwinter.
Posted by High C
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Posted on 12/24/21 at 9:49 am to
O Tannenbaum
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 12/24/21 at 9:49 am to
I’m not needle your historical accuracy here, but I pine for a real Christmas tree.
Posted by ShockTroop
Georgia
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Posted on 12/24/21 at 10:13 am to
Keep telling yourself that to feel good about celebrating a fictitious holiday built on lies and deception. Can you please point out where in the Bible it talks about Jesus being born on Dec 25.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Posted on 12/24/21 at 10:18 am to
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Can you please point out where in the Bible it talks about Jesus being born on Dec 25.

The Church admitted Jesus most likely wasn’t born on Dec 25. But if you’re converting people does it not make sense to essentially replace a holiday they already celebrate with one of their own? It would make the transition easier
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 12/24/21 at 10:20 am to
Merry Christmas
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 12/24/21 at 10:20 am to
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fictitious holiday built on lies and deception


As opposed to?
It’s all stories. Do you Burst into movie theaters and scream “this isn’t real! Stop enjoying it!”?

What makes a story “real” is collective belief and celebration. This celebration draws from all sorts of different roots, by design.

If believing in good will towards men makes me a fool, then I’ll be a happy fool.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 12/24/21 at 10:23 am to
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ShockTroop


Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 12/24/21 at 10:23 am to
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If believing in good will towards men makes me a fool, then I’ll be a happy fool.
I believe in Goodwill.

I’ve seen it firsthand, fool.

This post was edited on 12/24/21 at 10:24 am
Posted by Twenty 49
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Posted on 12/24/21 at 10:23 am to
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There are no records of Christmas trees in earlier centuries when there were still pagans around, leaving a clear gap in the historical record where after Europe has been Christianized it's only hundreds of years later that you get Christmas trees.


It's not like all pagans went away and all Europeans became Christians. There are still pagans around today.

Of course, if a pagan or druid or whoever had an evergreen in his house, he would not have called it a Christmas tree. Christians definitely originated the "Christmas tree," but I wouldn't necessarily give them credit for originating the custom of decorating the home in winter with evergreens.
Posted by FredBear
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Posted on 12/24/21 at 11:05 am to
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ShockTroop



You must be a blast at parties
Posted by Nguyener
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Posted on 12/24/21 at 11:08 am to
So the Christmas tree is the root of evil and sin. And all who join in it are destined to die.

Makes sense
Posted by Nguyener
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Posted on 12/24/21 at 11:09 am to
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Can you please point out where in the Bible it talks about Jesus being born on Dec 25.


Do you hate Easter for the same reason?

Posted by PotatoChip
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 12/24/21 at 11:10 am to
Christmas is celebrated on Dec 25 because that was the celebration of the birth of the sun. Nobody knows the real date of Jesus’ birth and I have never heard anyone claim to.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/24/21 at 11:18 am to
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Christmas is celebrated on Dec 25 because that was the celebration of the birth of the sun.


There is absolutely no historical proof of this beyond a document called the Chronography of 354 that establishes Sol Invictus on December 25. The first references to Christians celebrating Christmas on December 25 were made in the late-second century. It's far more likely that pagans tried to co-opt December 25 from Christians rather than vice versa.
This post was edited on 12/24/21 at 11:19 am
Posted by Zappas Stache
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Posted on 12/24/21 at 11:23 am to
Christmas trees absolutely was derived from the pagans use of evergreen plants hanging over their door and in the house in winter to ward off evil spirits
This post was edited on 12/24/21 at 11:25 am
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65038 posts
Posted on 12/24/21 at 11:27 am to
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Christmas trees absolutely was derived from the pagans use of evergreen plants hanging over their door and in the house in winter.



Just because some people decorated their homes with evergreens at some point in history doesn't mean others derived their traditions of doing the same from those people. There was no history of Christmas trees ever being used by Christians until the late-16th century. By that time just about all of Europe was Christian and had been for centuries. How do you derive a tradition from pagans when pagans were barely around at the time you begin said tradition?

This post was edited on 12/24/21 at 11:28 am
Posted by ShockTroop
Georgia
Member since Aug 2020
679 posts
Posted on 12/24/21 at 11:49 am to
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The Church admitted Jesus most likely wasn’t born on Dec 25. But if you’re converting people does it not make sense to essentially replace a holiday they already celebrate with one of their own? It would make the transition easier


So how many people have been converted to seek and know Jesus by buying Jr. an XBOX 360?
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