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re: The only randomized control trial of cloth masks vs surgical masks
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:06 pm to Flavius Belisarius
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:06 pm to Flavius Belisarius
I mean its a cool study buy if you have superior genetics it is irrelevant
Its just as good to have no mask as surgical
Its just as good to have no mask as surgical
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:08 pm to medtiger
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No one with any level of expertise has claimed that masks are protecting you.
Well, I don't see how people agree that they aren't protecting you from breathing in the particles but they are protecting others from your expulsion of the particles. That makes no sense to me
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:09 pm to escatawpabuckeye
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Now do no masks.
They did. Their infection rate was lower than the reusable cloth masks
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And do it in a community setting, not a hospital.
When I don’t like the score I live the goal posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:13 pm to borotiger
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The mask helps prevent that from hitting the person next to you.
It also makes you touch your face constantly, take giant deep breathes through your mouth, touch it again, touch other things, touch it again, all while accumulating and concentrating any particles coming from your mouth and nose, take into account the number of people who don’t wash them ever and rewear or worse trade them off among household people and then the scientific fact that the masks do nothing to stop you from getting it and you’re having a hard time convincing me that masks don’t do more harm than good.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:14 pm to WaydownSouth
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How is it keeping it in, but not keeping it out? The mask doesn’t choose weather or not to it wants to keep air in or out
I'm not a doctor but, as an engineer, I understand the concept of shooting someone with a squirt gun through a cloth mask has a different impact on the target than if you didn't try to shoot through the mask.
This is not that hard to understand.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:16 pm to borotiger
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understand the concept of shooting someone with a squirt gun through a cloth mask has a different impact on the target than if you didn't try to shoot through the mask.
Ok. Shoot the squirt gun through a paper towel with big holes cut in it and Then keep shooting the thing over and over and over again all day and then keep touching the thing and then keep touching the other person and everything he touches.... everything is wet.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:17 pm to borotiger
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I'm not a doctor but, as an engineer, I understand the concept of shooting someone with a squirt gun through a cloth mask has a different impact on the target than if you didn't try to shoot through the mask.
This is not that hard to understand.
Your analogy would be better if you used a water gun shot through a hallway as compared to an open room.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:19 pm to fallguy_1978
Look at this simulation that aired on CNN. Masks can reduce how far particles travel when people cough or speak. It's the same reason people are taught to cough into their arms.
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:23 pm to medtiger
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Masks can reduce how far particles travel when people cough or speak
Let me guess? They did one sneeze one time through one clean and properly applied mask under the best conditions?
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:26 pm to Breesus
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Ok. Shoot the squirt gun through a paper towel with big holes cut in it and Then keep shooting the thing over and over and over...
It is still reducing the amount YOU are projecting. It's not about you.
I'm done. Do whatever you want. Ignore recommendations and continue bitching about not being to go places since, for a ome unknown reason, the infection keeps increasing.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:28 pm to borotiger
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Ignore recommendations
Like the recommendation to not wear masks from the CDC?
Or only recommendations that you like?
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:29 pm to Flavius Belisarius
Couple that with the fact that people are constantly fiddling with their ill-fitting home made masks, touching their faces constantly while out in the germ-ridden public, and you see why alot of folks don't think masking is the greatest idea.
This post was edited on 7/11/20 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:30 pm to borotiger
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It's not about you.
Here is where you are absolutely wrong. It is about me, and everyone wearing it, because we are blocking our airway and doing something uncomfortable. Just like a woman can abort her baby if she feels inconvenienced
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:31 pm to borotiger
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It is still reducing the amount YOU are projecting
Is it? Even after the first hour? After the first day? After the first week? Including you constantly touching it and then touching everything else?
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for a ome unknown reason, the infection keeps increasing.
You’re under the impression we can completely stop it from increasing by wearing masks?
Are you sure the infection keeps increasing at a different rate with and without masks?
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:31 pm to Flavius Belisarius
Bad link
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:35 pm to YF12
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Like the recommendation to not wear masks from the CDC?
The recommendation issued in early March when they didn't have enough masks for Healthcare workers? That same recommendation that they have now strongly retracted? Is this really your response?
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:36 pm to Breesus
I don't disagree with you that people should wash their cloth masks or replace disposable masks frequently. But, in my opinion, having any sort of barrier between your nose and mouth and mine is better than nothing. So until a study comes out saying it's not better than nothing, I'm going to agree that people should wear masks in public or when in close proximity to others.
Maybe it's because I have worn a mask all day long one day per week as part of my profession, but I really don't understand why people make such a big deal about this. Since this began, I've worn a mask all day everyday I work, so I don't potentially spread this disease to my patients. But people bitch and complain about wearing a mask for 10 minutes while they go get groceries.
Maybe it's because I have worn a mask all day long one day per week as part of my profession, but I really don't understand why people make such a big deal about this. Since this began, I've worn a mask all day everyday I work, so I don't potentially spread this disease to my patients. But people bitch and complain about wearing a mask for 10 minutes while they go get groceries.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:38 pm to WaydownSouth
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Here is where you are absolutely wrong. It is about me, and everyone wearing it, because we are blocking our airway and doing something uncomfortable.
Just say that you don't care if the virus is spread. Don't make yourself weak by saying you can't handle self responsibility.
You are also one of the first to complain when things start getting shutdown again.
This post was edited on 7/11/20 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:39 pm to Flavius Belisarius
This doesn't tell us anything new or useful. N95>cloth masks. We knew this before kung flu ever came to USA. 
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:39 pm to borotiger
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The recommendation issued in early March when they didn't have enough masks for Healthcare workers? That same recommendation that they have now strongly retracted? Is this really your response?
If I wanted to I could find you evidence of those same people who "strongly retracted" that recommendation and that of others who emphatically stated that masks wouldn't work to stop the spread. Multiple experts said it. Some are still saying it despite being shouted down.
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