re: The obesity epidemic

Here is one paper that directly discusses what I'm discussing, and what I've been discussing the entire time.
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Here's another. LINK

Another. LINK

One more for now: LINK

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If your whole premise is crash dieting is bad, yeah no shite.

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You really are retarded, or you came into a thread half-way, didn't read my original point or why I referenced the AACE's position statement in 2012, and then started spouting shite (which was obvious from your utterly shitty solution list).

Now get me those supposed statements I made that were 'dumbass nutrition takes' or post some links yourself refuting my original point, which I suspect you never understood, or can't understand. Run along.

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3,500 calories isn't that much food in the grand scheme of things

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Most people would gain 2-3lbs a week if they ate 3500 calories a day. It's a lot of food.

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udder

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Captain Grey SKull, tag you're in!

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Na I'm out. I'm not gonna argue, too old for that and I have the resources.

But I am very interested in his papers Sheff they come out, I am read them with an open mind.

This is ignorant. The number of likes of your post proves how the public doesn’t generally understand the obesity pandemic or that it is not a decision between medical and “lifestyle” or “self control.” Good bariatric surgeons and medical weight loss doctors have programs that require lifestyle change and coaching around lifestyle changes in conjunction with medical tools(surgery or meds) to assist that process.

You are correct that we have a serious obesity epidemic on our hands. What you are projecting here is part of the problem. Get educated and become part of the solution instead of promulgating your ignorance in a manner that actually works against the solution.

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So this is wrong?

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Yes, probably, maybe, perhaps not. That's only based on general BMR. Active people, like the guy who I believe was training for some sort of fitness competition, can and often need that much. Most people don't, though.

Mini thunderdome where nobody says anything yet the disagreement rages. Standard OT stuff.

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Na I'm out. I'm not gonna argue, too old for that and I have the resources.

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I suspect we are talking about two different things, as no where in any post I've made on this forum have I suggested that thermodynamic balance isn't associated with weight-loss. From the beginning I've been talking about the 'chronic' aspect of this in the patient demographics that are most likely to present inpatient, which is a massive demographic, despite what this other moron will try to tell you.

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But I am very interested in his papers Sheff they come out, I am read them with an open mind.

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TL;DR: Patient compliance is shite, and current compliance strategies are not sufficient for the realities of metabolic disease, because the compliance research suggests that patients don't adhere for the same, discrete reasons. Put another way, every different patient has a different reason to fail in compliance. That might seem a banal insight to most, but when the clinical practice guidelines suggest that a comprehensive plan needs to be developed with 'national stakeholders' (the term used in AACE guidelines in 2016) to combat obesity, the risk is that it still won't address why patients don't adhere, which can be so granular and nonsensical that it makes approaching the entire body of compliance research extremely difficult. That's a snippet of one paper. The other is just a longitudinal retrospective study about patient medication adherence during the pandemic.