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re: The more you know about EV the more you wonder if we were really ready for this change.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 1:13 pm to Tomatocantender
Posted on 8/31/22 at 1:13 pm to Tomatocantender
quote:Moving the goal posts i see. First it can't be done at all. Then its 1-2 miles/hour charge (which the OG SE beats), then it only charges the 12V system to start the car (which doesn't even directly charge from the charge controller), now is isn't reliable(PV modules and inverters are incredibly reliable, I'd be happy to have a side bar about O&M, I have lots of data, not feels) but maybe you're talking about production (but that doesn't make sense when properly designed solar setups perform at a 98% P90) or that its cost effective (because apparently owning your own power plant with a 25 year warranty is supposed to be cheap) or efficient (even though DC charging is the most efficient way to charge an EV). What's next?
But you can't, not in any reliable, cost effective and efficient way for 99.9999999% of us.
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Posted on 8/31/22 at 1:16 pm to billjamin
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What's next?
Pics of your wife on the ranch. Cowboy boots [On] Off
Posted on 8/31/22 at 1:18 pm to Tomatocantender
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Pics of your wife on the ranch. Cowboy boots [On] Off
LOL I don't need her chopping my balls of like the calfs.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 1:20 pm to billjamin
[quote]LOL I don't need her chopping my balls of like the calfs.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 2:03 pm to billjamin
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Technically, you only need 50 amps but that's going to obviously take up most of a 100 amp panel.
That's not how it works. You don't add up the individual breakers to match the panel's rating.
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200A is really what you need for a level 2 home charger.
200A is pretty much the de rigeur panel in homes built in the last few decades. Level 2 chargers are 30 - 50A devices, essentially just an extra dryer or electric range/oven circuit. Some L2 residential chargers go a bit higher in the 75A range or so. Most residential 200A panels have plenty of room for an additional two-pole breaker or two, putting in an EV charger is electrically no different than a POU hot water booster. L2 chargers are also not going to run at their max charge capacity during charging either, they only do that on mostly depleted batteries until about 85% charge then start slowing down the charge rate until the battery tops off. The only time I think a 200A panel will have issues is if someone came home, plugged in their 10% charged EV, put laundry in the dryer, started pre-heating the oven for dinner, and then took a shower with an electric tank (even worse, tankless) water heater.
This post was edited on 8/31/22 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 8/31/22 at 2:10 pm to Clames
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200A is pretty much the de rigeur panel in homes built in the last few decades. Level 2 chargers are 30 - 50A devices, essentially just an extra dryer or electric range/oven circuit. Some L2 residential chargers go a bit higher in the 75A range or so. Most residential 200A panels have plenty of room for an additional two-pole breaker or two, putting in an EV charger is electrically no different than a POU hot water booster.
Yeah I know, I always assume when someone bring that up they have an older home with a small panel or one of those stupid combo meter/main panels that always needs an MPU to do anything.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 2:14 pm to Sus-Scrofa
Same exterior design as the Tesla
Posted on 8/31/22 at 4:09 pm to winkchance
We are nowhere near ready for this and probably never will be. This is probably nothing more than a novelty.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 4:25 pm to tonydtigr
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Just wait until a major hurricane forces evacuations to and from major population centers. The ensuing traffic jam is going to be a real eye opener for EV drivers. There will be dead EVs everywhere
As opposed to the lines we see at the gas stations? I honestly would have done better in Ida with an EV than my f150
Posted on 8/31/22 at 8:50 pm to jmarto1
It’s easier to grab a couple of gas cans to refill your car that is out of gas than to get your “dead on the side of the interstate in a traffic jam EV” towed to a charging station. Think about it. You must never have been caught in hurricane evacuation traffic before.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 8:56 pm to winkchance
The more I think about it the more I think it’s about condescending population to cities and pushing mass transit.
If you don’t have the income you won’t be able to afford a car. You will be dependent on mass transit to get around. This will gradually push rural populations into the metro areas.
If you don’t have the income you won’t be able to afford a car. You will be dependent on mass transit to get around. This will gradually push rural populations into the metro areas.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:23 pm to tonydtigr
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You must never have been caught in hurricane evacuation traffic before.
Or I have and still came to this conclusion
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:38 pm to winkchance
I don't want to know. I wouldn't drive an EV if I was given one for free. I am driving a car with an ICE until the day the Lord calls me home.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:43 pm to billjamin
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Here's your problem. I'm not pushing it. I'm only refuting inaccurate information about the technology. I honestly don't give a shite about adoption, only that people can have an honest conversation about the pros and cons.
But you are using pros that don’t apply to the generation of renters and living at home. They own nothing to do this on.
I lived in New Orleans. All those people doing shifts in the bars and restaurants are renting. Some own places. Sure. You also have a shite load of multi unit housing where you would need chargers lining the streets because people don’t have off street garages and driveways. Yes the people with money do. But there is the problem again.
I’m telling you this isn’t feasible in a short time frame unless you don’t actually care about people.
This post was edited on 8/31/22 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:46 pm to winkchance
to me, the plug-in hybrids, like the Rav4 Prime, seem to be the way to go.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:48 pm to greenbean
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to me, the plug-in hybrids, like the Rav4 Prime, seem to be the way to go.
They already have non plug in hybrids.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:48 pm to dgnx6
quote:is there a point somewhere in there? Or are you just looking for something to whine about?
But you are using pros that don’t apply to the generation of renters and living at home. They own nothing to do this on.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:50 pm to dgnx6
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I’m telling you this isn’t feasible in a short time frame unless you don’t actually care about people.
Where has he or anyone who is pro EV in these threads supported the government mandates? Organic adoption of the technology is how it should go
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:55 pm to waiting4saturday
It really isn’t shoved down your throat. You drive a gas powered car, most cars by a landslide are gas powered, nobody is forcing electricity on you. You’re overreacting. I basically never even see charging stations for electric vehicles. I don’t know where you live but nobody in New Orleans is forcing EV’s on me.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:32 pm to winkchance
You’re being racist.
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