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re: The Growing Movement to release the Parricidal Menendez Brothers…
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:55 am to mrservon
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:55 am to mrservon
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None of the above can be definitively proven to be true. The jury also saw through all that BS.
The parents weren't on trial. They don't have to definitively prove they were being abused. It's more correct to say the prosecution had to prove they weren't being abused.
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Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:58 am to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
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It was probably Ricky Martin since he caught the ghey.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 12:08 pm to Tigers0891
I know you are asking rhetorically ( and should) but that exact question would be handled by parole board psychologist evaluations. Are they a threat? And it’s Cali, so you already know the answer.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 12:09 pm to Lsupimp
So according to many on this board Gary plauche is a hero but these guys deserve life in prison even if you think they were being sexually assaulted?
I don't pretend to know enough about the actual case to have a real opinion but some interesting takes in here
I don't pretend to know enough about the actual case to have a real opinion but some interesting takes in here
Posted on 10/11/24 at 12:16 pm to RandySavage
Did Gary Plauche kill Doucet’s wife/girlfriend too?
Certainly you are able to discern simple critical differences? Mainly Kitty Menendez?
Certainly you are able to discern simple critical differences? Mainly Kitty Menendez?
Posted on 10/11/24 at 12:26 pm to RandySavage
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according to many on this board Gary plauche is a hero but these guys deserve life in prison even if you think they were being sexually assaulted?
it's a strange dichotomy indeed, Jody posts here, it was a local event, everyone here identifies as being a baw's baw, would have been a Navy Seal, and all around general badass, the community in BR was sympathetic to Gary, as am I, and he's achieved local folk hero status, so it's a jaundiced view, fact is Gary and the Menendez brothers committed premeditated, cold blooded moida but Gary's was a lot closer to hot blooded as his first available opportunity was when Doucet set foot back in BR and had no ancillary, ulterior motives other than avenging his son's abuse
Posted on 10/11/24 at 12:32 pm to IAmNERD
Well they could not keep the mom alive after they barged in and wasted dear ole Dad. Wasting mom was smart. The dead can't talk.
Not sure if the Dad had abused them, who knows. Apparently they never confided in anyone before the murders. The accounts of the mom varied but she seemed like an unsatisfied and resentful woman overall. I'll bet that the boys did not regret killing her and she was more of a target than the Dad was. They essentially turned her into ground meat. A lot more shots in her.
Boys don't kill their mommas...as a rule. They'll waste their Dad's but there was a lot of anger directed at the mom
Not sure if the Dad had abused them, who knows. Apparently they never confided in anyone before the murders. The accounts of the mom varied but she seemed like an unsatisfied and resentful woman overall. I'll bet that the boys did not regret killing her and she was more of a target than the Dad was. They essentially turned her into ground meat. A lot more shots in her.
Boys don't kill their mommas...as a rule. They'll waste their Dad's but there was a lot of anger directed at the mom
Posted on 10/11/24 at 12:51 pm to ChiTownBammer
None of the abuse stuff was allowed in the second trial. The one trial where it was introduced it was sufficiently strong to result in a hung jury. The judge didn’t allow it in the second trial and had no real legal basis to do so, but politically knew (as evidenced by this thread) people would lose their minds if they got off after OJ had got off a year earlier. So they basically rigged the second trial to guarantee a guilty verdict.
The “pre-meditated” or “cold-blooded” murder of a an abuser by the abused is a very recognized legal defense, especially to knock down first degree murder to manslaughter. It’s commonly known as “battered woman defense” because it’s most commonly see when abused wives shoot their husbands at the dinner table after having enough.
There’s plenty of evidence that the dad was a PoS who had sexually, physically and emotionally abused them their whole life. There’s written evidence, photographic evidence, and testimony from numerous family members. There’s also evidence that the mom knew and actively helped cover up the abuse and essentially sided with the dad when the brothers tried to get it to stop.
As to “oh and now it’s all coming out years later how convenient…” are you fricking serious? How many celebrities like Weinstein, Spacey, Cosby, Diddy, Epstein have had scandals where they’ve been horrifically abusing people for 30 years and it never came out? And these are famous celebrities, but it’s somehow implausible that evidence wouldn’t come out immediately about a random guy from LA?
Tl;dr -Maybe they are cold blooded murderers who kill their parents so they could go to nba games, but there’s a lot of smoke that isn’t the full story
The “pre-meditated” or “cold-blooded” murder of a an abuser by the abused is a very recognized legal defense, especially to knock down first degree murder to manslaughter. It’s commonly known as “battered woman defense” because it’s most commonly see when abused wives shoot their husbands at the dinner table after having enough.
There’s plenty of evidence that the dad was a PoS who had sexually, physically and emotionally abused them their whole life. There’s written evidence, photographic evidence, and testimony from numerous family members. There’s also evidence that the mom knew and actively helped cover up the abuse and essentially sided with the dad when the brothers tried to get it to stop.
As to “oh and now it’s all coming out years later how convenient…” are you fricking serious? How many celebrities like Weinstein, Spacey, Cosby, Diddy, Epstein have had scandals where they’ve been horrifically abusing people for 30 years and it never came out? And these are famous celebrities, but it’s somehow implausible that evidence wouldn’t come out immediately about a random guy from LA?
Tl;dr -Maybe they are cold blooded murderers who kill their parents so they could go to nba games, but there’s a lot of smoke that isn’t the full story
This post was edited on 10/11/24 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 10/11/24 at 12:59 pm to tigerfan88
In 1990 I thought sexual abuse was preposterous. Now I think it was highly likely. So is it such a mitigating circumstance as to justify their release? Nope. Because Kitty Menendez. Even if she was morally complicit ( I have no idea) that’s why a life sentence applies.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 1:08 pm to tigerfan88
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tigerfan88
That's all great, not guilty for the dad.
No evidence whatsoever for the mom. None.
They murdered her. Guilty, life sentence.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 1:12 pm to Oates Mustache
They are doing the same thing with Scott Peterson.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 1:13 pm to Tiger985
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The alleged abuse was brought up in their defense. The jury had it to consider. They were convicted. Even if the abuse allegations are true, it doesn't make their crime less severe.
Not to mention the fact that they are mere allegations and the parents were not charged or convicted of any abuse. Conveniently for the menendez brothers., the parents are no longer here to answer the charge.
Justice would have had them executed years ago.
by this same logic, gary plauché should have gotten the chair.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 1:22 pm to Oates Mustache
The evidence for the mom is that she was an essentially an accomplice to the Dad. To the point that she was actively lying to other family members and taking affirmative action to prevent the abuse from being found out.
Is that true? Idk. Very few people actually know if that’s true or not. But there is evidence to support that conclusion. Is it enough for a not guilty verdict? Or more likely a manslaughter verdict?
Again I don’t know but the point is the judge didn’t allow any evidence in at all about abuse by either parent, despite plenty of evidence being out there. And again the legal reasoning behind excluding is flimsy at best, whereas the political rationale of being the same courthouse that just had OJ get off is quite strong.
That’s the main issue. If the judge had let in the abuse evidence and they were found guilty 30 years ago, different story. But he didn’t and so here we are
Is that true? Idk. Very few people actually know if that’s true or not. But there is evidence to support that conclusion. Is it enough for a not guilty verdict? Or more likely a manslaughter verdict?
Again I don’t know but the point is the judge didn’t allow any evidence in at all about abuse by either parent, despite plenty of evidence being out there. And again the legal reasoning behind excluding is flimsy at best, whereas the political rationale of being the same courthouse that just had OJ get off is quite strong.
That’s the main issue. If the judge had let in the abuse evidence and they were found guilty 30 years ago, different story. But he didn’t and so here we are
This post was edited on 10/11/24 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 10/11/24 at 1:33 pm to tigerfan88
Yeah point taken. I’m approaching it like they will just be released when in fact it would just be a new trial.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 1:42 pm to tigerfan88
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The evidence for the mom is that she was an essentially an accomplice to the Dad. To the point that she was actively lying to other family members and taking affirmative action to prevent the abuse from being found out.
bullshite. The evidence points to her being abused as well and threatened when she confronted him. If you excuse them for killing their father, she has to be excused as well. That's your own logic. So then they're still guilty of her murder.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 1:47 pm to tigerfan88
I think there are similarities between the Menendez brothers and Gypsy Rose. Assuming that the brothers were abused by their dad and, at minimum, not protected by their mom, I think their actions reflect those of severely traumatized young adults. Just as Gypsy Rose’s baseline “normal” is going to be different than most due to the abuse she suffered at the hands of her mother, I think the same goes for the Menendez brothers. They didn’t behave as rational young adults and just leave the family because they had no concept of what rational behavior was.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 1:52 pm to Lsupimp
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FTR, I think they were. It’s still not a legitimate reason to shotgun your mother. So no soup for me.
If she knew about it, she deserved it, IMO.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 1:54 pm to Oates Mustache
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The evidence points to her being abused as well and threatened when she confronted him.
so she knew and didn't do anything beyond confronting the father. Why didn't she go to the police? one could assume to protect her lifestyle.
if you protect a pedo, then I have little sympathy for you.
Idk if they should be free from jail nor does my opinion matter. Others have testified that he abused them so there is a non-zero chance they are truthful about the abuse.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 1:54 pm to Fun Bunch
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They very likely were sexually abused.
They also murdered both of their parents in premeditated fashion brutally.
They were both over 18, they could have simply just went on their way and never spoke to their parents again.
But they wanted the money and their parents to be dead for abusing them
If all of this is true, I don't blame them.
We applaud Gary Plauche for what he did, but his child wasn't in harm's way at the time of the shooting, why is this any different?
Posted on 10/11/24 at 1:54 pm to tigerfan88
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There’s plenty of evidence that the dad was a PoS who had sexually, physically and emotionally abused them their whole life
Is there?
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