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re: The Fundamental Way we Perceive Extraterrestrial Existence is Wrong

Posted on 10/18/15 at 6:23 pm to
Posted by rehtaeh
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 10/18/15 at 6:23 pm to
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We believe our current technology is the be all/end all. Fact is future people will make advances that will make us look like the Rome/airliner you allude to. Can you just imagine the look on the face of a person in 1900 if you explained neutrinos to them? We are stuck in believing the laws of physics are complete and infallible. This will change.

Hellz bellz, they might just discover faults in the computer model concerning global warming. Just think, they may just go back to an impending ice age prediction.


I agree 100%.
Posted by rehtaeh
Member since Oct 2013
4487 posts
Posted on 10/18/15 at 6:24 pm to
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if we found the remains of a previous intelligent alien civilization.


I think that there is one, far below all the dust on Mars. But, I was also told that there could not be one because Mars has a cold core. I still think I could be right.
Posted by mailman85
Kentucky
Member since Mar 2013
163 posts
Posted on 10/18/15 at 6:49 pm to
Us trying to understand what possible intelligent life there is out in the universe, albeit fun to pass the time but would be akin to a fish trying to understand what an escalator is.
This post was edited on 10/18/15 at 6:51 pm
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
20603 posts
Posted on 10/18/15 at 8:36 pm to
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Us trying to understand what possible intelligent life there is out in the universe, albeit fun to pass the time but would be akin to a fish trying to understand what an escalator is.


Good analogy.
Posted by CFDoc
Member since Jan 2013
2243 posts
Posted on 10/18/15 at 8:56 pm to
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I still think I could be right.


Just for funzies, can you list your curriculum vitae?
Posted by Pectus
Internet
Member since Apr 2010
67302 posts
Posted on 10/18/15 at 9:46 pm to
All these theories about new energy and new elements are too hand wavy. There arent any more types.

The universe must only work woth what it has.

You have a good idea, but it's not grounded in science.
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
20603 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 12:53 am to
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All these theories about new energy and new elements are too hand wavy.

LIGO?
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There arent any more types.

How can you be so sure? Would a Roman warrior in a chariot have ever believed that one day there would be tanks ... with the technology that ours have this very day?
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You have a good idea, but it's not grounded in science.

"Science" is constantly changing. Much has already changed since my days at the old Dutchtown High School.
Posted by Pectus
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Posted on 10/19/15 at 7:00 am to
All the science you had in your post deals with science-described natural world that we have an entire framework o understanding built on. And when you think about it that way then your analogies break down really really fast.

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Would a Roman warrior in a chariot have ever believed that one day there would be tanks ... with the technology that ours have this very day?


A Roman warrior would most assuredly know what a siege weapon is because they used them. A tank is a spruced up siege weapon. It's not like something entirely new was invented.

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"Science" is constantly changing. Much has already changed since my days at the old Dutchtown High School.


List the changes that have occurred since high school and I will tell you how science hasn't changed.
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
20603 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 7:39 pm to
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All the science you had in your post deals with science-described natural world that we have an entire framework o understanding built on. And when you think about it that way then your analogies break down really really fast.

(And therein lies your problem. You believe our entire understanding is complete. That's what they thought back around 1900 when it was believed all had been discovered and invented. We now know it is constantly changing.)

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Would a Roman warrior in a chariot have ever believed that one day there would be tanks ... with the technology that ours have this very day?

A Roman warrior would most assuredly know what a siege weapon is because they used them. A tank is a spruced up siege weapon. It's not like something entirely new was invented.

(So you are saying that he would see a steel vehicle on tracks moving along at 60 mph and just say ho hum, just another seige weapon. Nothing to see here. Move along, move along.)


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"Science" is constantly changing. Much has already changed since my days at the old Dutchtown High School.


List the changes that have occurred since high school and I will tell you how science hasn't changed.


(You are kidding, right? Lightening goes cloud to cloud, cloud to ground, ground to cloud vs just cloud to ground. Ice age vs global warming. Discovered neutrinos. Etc.

I put science in parenthesis to indicate the changes in learning about what constitutes "science". Nothing in our environment and perhaps the universe has changed but what constitutes "science" for us changes with every discovery. That would be my point. We are still making discoveries some of which results in changes to what is taught in "science". All has not been discovered yet. We don't know what we don't know.

Therefore it is too early to declare there are no more types.

Hell, they are still waffling on whether there is/was life on Mars. )



Posted by BigSquirrel
Member since Jul 2013
1880 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 9:39 pm to
Do you even know how crazy you are?
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
19811 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 9:48 pm to
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Do you even know how HIGH you MUST BE?


FIFY
Posted by tigerbutt
Deep South
Member since Jun 2006
26095 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 9:57 pm to
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don't think any reasonable person can deny that they are here, living among us, and probably in control of the planet's governments.

I laughed
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
20603 posts
Posted on 10/20/15 at 6:51 am to
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BigSquirrel
Do you even know how crazy you are?


Do you even know just how close in size your brain is to your smaller username cousin's?

If you have a point to discuss just jump in. Otherwise I have to just write off your personal attacks as ignorance.
This post was edited on 10/20/15 at 7:02 am
Posted by ItNeverRains
Offugeaux
Member since Oct 2007
28166 posts
Posted on 10/20/15 at 7:03 am to
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I've long believed that any spacefaring race will have to be intelligent machines. Space is just too hostile an environment for biologics.

In addition to that, machines that are small enough to still be useful can be much more easily accelerated to the kinds of velocities interstellar travel requires.


Yep. AI's biggest contribution will be deep space travel too risky/costly for humans.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
21310 posts
Posted on 10/20/15 at 7:41 am to
You should read/follow David Wilcock and Corey Goode. There is much information out there already on the varying densities of the known alien civilizations.
Posted by The Sad Banana
The gate is narrow.
Member since Jul 2008
89507 posts
Posted on 10/20/15 at 7:48 am to
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Posted by TheAlmightySmash
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2014
5489 posts
Posted on 10/20/15 at 8:06 am to
Just watched it huh?
Posted by ctiger69
Member since May 2005
31030 posts
Posted on 10/20/15 at 9:40 am to
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 10/20/15 at 9:49 am to
Maybe we are the aliens.
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
20603 posts
Posted on 10/20/15 at 12:29 pm to
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Maybe we are the aliens.

That would back up the creation theory to some extent.
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