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re: The Fight for Net Neutrality: Today
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:08 pm to J Murdah
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:08 pm to J Murdah
Short video on importance of net-neutrality
Do you want the Internet to turn into cable TV? if so, net-neutrality abolition is for you!
Do you want the Internet to turn into cable TV? if so, net-neutrality abolition is for you!
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:09 pm to J Murdah
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dont know how long it will take before ISP's will start selling premium internet, or slowing internet speeds to your favorite sites, ahem, tigerdroppings, if you dont pay them, but if they win it is only a matter of time.
Looks like an opportunity for innovation and competition.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:10 pm to J Murdah
Where it's going to start is going to be that they will once again selectively target customers they consider to be "high usage" and throttle their internet.
And before anyone says they do that already: they used to, and abused the wiggle room they were allowed to do. Which is part of the reason why the FCC codified net neutrality. Those texts you get from AT&T about usage on your data plan lost a LOT of its teeth. It's mostly an intimidation tactic to get you to slow down with limited action behind it.
And before anyone says they do that already: they used to, and abused the wiggle room they were allowed to do. Which is part of the reason why the FCC codified net neutrality. Those texts you get from AT&T about usage on your data plan lost a LOT of its teeth. It's mostly an intimidation tactic to get you to slow down with limited action behind it.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Looks like an opportunity for innovation and competition.
Competition and innovation is hard when government contracts, natural monopolies, and anti-free market rules and regulations are already in place across the country.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Yeah some start up should be able to come in and dig new lines of copper or fiber to everyone's houses right? There won't be any new competition. Some people are working on alternative methods for receiving internet wirelessly, but currently those options are high latency and expensive.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:14 pm to fightin tigers
Think about it this way.
One possible trend is the way ISP's charge you for what you do on the internet.
Cable TV companies have profitably provided different "packages"
Would you want an internet that would only let you visit ESPN.COM if you purchased the "Sports and Information" tier?
How about a network where Cox charges you to be routed to ESPN and then ESPN charges you for access to their content?
How bout throttling? Would you want an internet where your ISP throttles the speeds to their competitor's content?
I'm not much of a "chicken little" minded person. I never buy into conspiracies or biased "fake news" but I am as alarmed at the stripping of the Open Internet regulations as I was when Obamacare was introduced.
Sometimes government rules are a good thing for the market as it ensures free and equal access for all businesses, large or small.
People say that if you don't like the way your ISP handles things then leave for another provider. Well most times there isn't a TRUE alternative as most competing ISP's simply resell the same network that Cox was going to provide to you anyways.
One possible trend is the way ISP's charge you for what you do on the internet.
Cable TV companies have profitably provided different "packages"
Would you want an internet that would only let you visit ESPN.COM if you purchased the "Sports and Information" tier?
How about a network where Cox charges you to be routed to ESPN and then ESPN charges you for access to their content?
How bout throttling? Would you want an internet where your ISP throttles the speeds to their competitor's content?
I'm not much of a "chicken little" minded person. I never buy into conspiracies or biased "fake news" but I am as alarmed at the stripping of the Open Internet regulations as I was when Obamacare was introduced.
Sometimes government rules are a good thing for the market as it ensures free and equal access for all businesses, large or small.
People say that if you don't like the way your ISP handles things then leave for another provider. Well most times there isn't a TRUE alternative as most competing ISP's simply resell the same network that Cox was going to provide to you anyways.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:the opposite of that actually
Looks like an opportunity for innovation and competition.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Looks like an opportunity for innovation and competition.
You have never made a more wrong post.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:17 pm to JohnnyKilroy
This. What some of you don't get is that barriers to entry for being an ISP are insanely high. You can't just build an entire new infrastructure easily. The current ISPs have contracts and lobbying power over municipal governments and won't let anyone else enter the market. If google failed at doing it, how is anyone else going to succeed?
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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dont know how long it will take before ISP's will start selling premium internet, or slowing internet speeds to your favorite sites, ahem, tigerdroppings, if you dont pay them, but if they win it is only a matter of time.
Looks like an opportunity for innovation and competition.
The stripping of these rules will place enormous barriers to entry for startups.
The only innovative ideas will come from the ISP monopolies themselves
Gone will be the days of Youtube, Skype, Netflix, and even PornHub entering the market and changing how we communicate/consume media for good.
Monopolies are less incentivized to innovate because they already have the market share they need.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:18 pm to OMLandshark
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You have never made a more wrong post.
If everyone is limiting and controlling product then there is a lot of money to be made by someone offering that product unlimited and with fewer controls.
Innovation will prevail, but it will take a hit.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:21 pm to fightin tigers
This new deal will create monopolies. The ISP's already have agreements not to compete with one another. Which is why most cities only have one cable/internet provider. There will be no new ISP's.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:22 pm to J Murdah
Landline ISPs. Agree wholeheartedly.
The future does not lie with landline ISPs.
The future does not lie with landline ISPs.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:22 pm to fightin tigers
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If everyone is limiting and controlling product then there is a lot of money to be made by someone offering that product unlimited and with fewer controls.
False
Most major ISP's own media groups and all of the wire that terminates to your house.
ISP's could block you from visiting Foxnews.com if you were visiting from a startup ISP's network.
It would be like Verizon owning I-10 and only allowing Ford owners to drive on it relegating everyone else to surface streets.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:22 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Looks like an opportunity for innovation and competition
What competition?
You see many alternative wired providers out there in any capacity?
Do you not realize in most cases, "competitors" are legally prohibited to even try, and this doesn't change that.
So what opportunity?
We are talking about a mega company with a government approved and funded monopoly. Even if an ISP start up wanted to provide services on the "last mile," they'll have to buy bandwidth from one of the big companies.
Loss of net neutrality gives ISPs a means to use their entrenched monopoly as a weapon. They can literally say up front to an up and coming ISP that you are becoming a thorn in our side, so we will going to give you a selectively high rate so that your service is either inferior or more expensive than ours.
Deal with it.
Oh, and we own the backbones in the region so even if you make a deal with someone else, we will stifle all traffic with your ID tags.
I'm sorry, because generally I respect your posts, but ANYONE who says loss of net neutrality is good because it fosters competition is:
1) Horribly ignorant of what net neutrality is
2) Is not aware of the sanctioned monopoly these companies have, and that net neutrality doesn't change that, it merely protects the consumer from monopolistic practices.
Power companies have to follow a butt load of rules with approved monopolies.
Why are we treating other industries with approved monopolies ANY different.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:24 pm to J Murdah
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Net Neutrality:
AKA stupid bullshite topic for hippies who don't want to pay for porn or game of thrones. Get a job.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:24 pm to J Murdah
People dont properly understand what is at stake and the effects of that. They also dont care enough when they should, which is why these big companies are probably going to win.
Maybe if we got half the women and gay men in the world who watch the bachelor or HGTV to voice their opinion we may stand a chance.
Maybe if we got half the women and gay men in the world who watch the bachelor or HGTV to voice their opinion we may stand a chance.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:25 pm to fightin tigers
quote:Flying cars are the future, but should we stop repairing the roads?
Landline ISPs. Agree wholeheartedly.
The future does not lie with landline ISPs.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:25 pm to fightin tigers
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FCC is voting today and the internet chooses today as the "day of action"
I thought there was still time to submit comments. They accepted mine today.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:26 pm to fightin tigers
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If everyone is limiting and controlling product then there is a lot of money to be made by someone offering that product unlimited and with fewer controls.
I don't think you quite understand.
ISPs are natural monopolies, both in the sense of extremely high entry/start up costs, but also in the sense that many municipal/regional/state governments have exclusive contracts with these providers, effectively eliminating all competition in that area.
If Entergy announced a policy that Jefferson parish residents will have their power shutoff at peak times to give more capacity to Orleans parish, would you say it is just an opportunity for competition?
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