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re: The education data out of Mississippi is getting more insane. They have zoomed past CA

Posted on 9/28/25 at 7:09 am to
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 7:09 am to
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I had never realized until recently that places have done away with phonics and it makes no sense.
LucasP realized what you did to him immediately.

And it too made no sense.
Posted by Riggle
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 7:26 am to
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It’s due to phonics-based teaching.


The Atlantic posted an interesting article about the origins of Whole Language Learning (the trend away from phonics) and how it has changed reading outcomes. My understanding is the data supports a phonics curriculum
This post was edited on 9/28/25 at 7:27 am
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 7:34 am to
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The Atlantic posted an interesting article about the origins of Whole Language Learning (the trend away from phonics) and how it has changed reading outcomes. My understanding is the data supports a phonics curriculum

Technically the data supports a blended method. However, even that is a nail in the coffin for whole language. Think of it this way: when you are taught phonics (the individual building blocks of words), you have to sound out each word. However, sound out the same words enough times and you’ll memorize the word as a whole, just like you would with whole language. That’s why people who learn phonics only have to “sound out” words they aren’t familiar with as opposed to sounding out every word forever. On the other hand, with whole language, you only memorize the words. To learn more words, you memorize more words. That’s it. It doesn’t build on itself. Memorizing the next word takes exactly as much effort as memorizing the last word.

Learning phonics gives the foundation to ultimately accomplish what whole language endeavors to accomplish. Whole language gives no foundation whatsoever, and therefore, accomplishes next to fricking nothing.

Did I mention how much this shite pisses me off?
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
119953 posts
Posted on 9/28/25 at 9:54 am to
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filled with students who can neither read nor write the English language


So is Mississippi?
Posted by HarryBalzack
Member since Oct 2012
16223 posts
Posted on 9/28/25 at 11:07 am to
The AFT & NEA are easily among the top 3 problems in education.

Bush's Every Child Left Behind program started a lot of this by de-emphasizing long-form reading. Kids didn't read more than a few paragraphs and every kid got to pass, regardless of whether they earned it. They prioritized "emotional well being" instead of achievement and it ended up the way that always does.

The professional "education industry" is full of shite.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
51684 posts
Posted on 9/28/25 at 12:08 pm to
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Why they ever stopped this is mindboggling.

It’s very easy to understand. The “experts” can’t get rich by saying that what you’ve been doing for centuries is correct.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 12:10 pm to
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There is a good podcast called “sold a story” that dives deep into this. It’s honestly infuriating

Thanks for that. I've got it on my "must listen to" list.
Posted by Defenseiskey
Houston, TX
Member since Nov 2010
1653 posts
Posted on 9/28/25 at 12:17 pm to
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Technically the data supports a blended method. However, even that is a nail in the coffin for whole language. Think of it this way: when you are taught phonics (the individual building blocks of words), you have to sound out each word. However, sound out the same words enough times and you’ll memorize the word as a whole, just like you would with whole language. That’s why people who learn phonics only have to “sound out” words they aren’t familiar with as opposed to sounding out every word forever. On the other hand, with whole language, you only memorize the words. To learn more words, you memorize more words. That’s it. It doesn’t build on itself. Memorizing the next word takes exactly as much effort as memorizing the last word.


Im a younger millennial (1989) and had "Spelling" as a separate subject where we learned the Spelling and definitions of hundreds of words per year.

I was an elementary/middle school ELA teacher from 2012 to 2019 and was really shocked that they had completely got away from that and everything was considered"ELA" now. I think that has something to do with it.
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