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re: The Dream: A Podcast About MLMs
Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:03 pm to sacrathetic
Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:03 pm to sacrathetic
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It takes a leftist approach to the ideas of success and personal responsibility. In other words, it's outright hostile to those ideas.
Yeah because we don't get enough of that already.
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:22 pm to OweO
Oh look, the village idiot
Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:38 pm to sacrathetic
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So what was she doing right and what are the other 99% are doing wrong? If that lady can make $42,000 a year doing it, why can't the others? Or if they don't make that, then why isn't it fair to blame them for their failures?
But the thing is. There is a certain level where people can join that will not be able to make even close to $42k no matter how hard they work.
Because it will get to the point where everyone who is a potential recruit has been recruited already. And the more people who are on social media trying to sell people to the same company, the more people will start to dismiss the company.
They are selling people on the idea that they have to work hard. That is bullshite. It would be like telling someone to go door to door to sell people front doors and if they work hard, they will sell enough to make good money. The only people who they would really be targeting are people who really wants a new front door but hasn't gone out to get one yet.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:04 pm to sacrathetic
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So what was she doing right and what are the other 99% are doing wrong? If that lady can make $42,000 a year doing it, why can't the others? Or if they don't make that, then why isn't it fair to blame them for their failures?
You're describing a pyramid scheme.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:07 pm to GetCocky11
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:18 pm to sacrathetic
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But there is also the sales aspect. Sell the product and you can make money.
I think the point is that these companies put more emphasis on recruitment of new salespeople as opposed to actually selling the product. The hypothetical person makes $40,000 a month or whatever most likely gets a lot of the revenue from the people he/she recruited underneath her. I doubt that person actually personally sold $40,000 worth of stuff.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:22 pm to sacrathetic
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And I'm only arguing that people should have the freedom to join these groups. And if you join and fail, then don't blame the group, blame yourself.
I understand this point of view, but I think the government has a compelling interest in protecting people from exploitation, namely people who are unable or incapable of doing it themselves. Which is an uncomfortably large segment of the population.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:30 pm to BRPelican45
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This post was edited on 5/21/20 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:47 pm to sacrathetic
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Look, I hate MLM's. I think that only losers and idiots join them. But while they didn't come out and directly say it, the hosts of the podcast were advocating for these to be shut down with laws. And I'm only arguing that people should have the freedom to join these groups. And if you join and fail, then don't blame the group, blame yourself.
Look, I think we have too many laws and we don't need a new law for every little issue just because some people think others shouldn't do it.
But there are some laws needed to protect people. The FTC can actually go after a company if they think it is a pyramid scheme and if it can be proven, can shut it down. But as you learn in the podcast, it's a complex situation. As a side note, I didn't realize the head of Amway is also the head of the Chamber of Commerce..
Anyway, there is a point in MLMs where it just isn't possible for people to work their way up because they are at the bottom and there is simply not enough people available to them who hasn't joined already, who can be sold on joining. Yet they are telling these people they can get rich by working hard. It's a pyramid scheme. There are only so many people who will benefit.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:52 pm to OweO
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It would be like telling someone to go door to door to sell people front doors and if they work hard, they will sell enough to make good money.
If you can convince someone to do this, that person is an idiot.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:53 pm to OweO
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Has anyone listened to this podcast?
Yep. I follow /r/AntiMLM on Reddit, and have become fascinated by crazy MLM people.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:54 pm to Oilfieldbiology
We don't need any fricking laws to save people from their own stupidity.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:54 pm to Janky
OweO thinks so
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:55 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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OweO
Is one of the stupid ones.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:03 pm to sacrathetic
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So what was she doing right and what are the other 99% are doing wrong?
fricking people under her over.
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If that lady can make $42,000 a year doing it, why can't the others? Or if they don't make that, then why isn't it fair to blame them for their failures?
Because everyone on earth can't shill the same product. You have to have someone to sell to, and many do not. There is money to be made in MLMs if you get numerous people selling under you because you receive % of their sales.
I'd have to guess people with vast social circles are the people who find success in MLMs because they have a large number of people to both sell to and to recruit. However, thousands of women with very few people in their network get sucked into MLMs and have nothing to show for it (many even lose money).
Yes, lots of sales jobs go this way.. but the issue I have with MLMs vs. traditional sales jobs is that those jobs aren't cornering you in the grocery store, book store, your social media DMs, etc. putting on presentations and begging you to join their company. They're not pushing you and PROMISING you success/high income like MLMs do.
The issue I have is not so much the shite they sell (although that too because I'm sorry but your fricking oil doesn't cure someone's cancer), but the predatory methods they employ to recruit people who have no chance of succeeding.
EDIT - I didn't say anything about laws, to be clear. I don't necessarily think they should be outlawed.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:16 pm to LouisianaLady
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and have become fascinated by crazy MLM people.
I have as well..
MLMs and any type of scams.
Last week I finished the book 'Bad Blood: Secrets & Lies In A Silicon Valley Startup', about Elizabeth Holmes and her company.
But MLMs fascinate me because the whole mindset.. The mindset of those on top, those who buy into it, etc. Are similar to those who join mega churches. The preacher is living the life of riley while the people giving and giving are mostly people just getting by hoping for something good to happen.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:09 pm to LouisianaLady
My FIL is in one and he loves it but he is the only person I've ever seen do well in one. He is retired and a social butterfly. You have to be in the perfect storm to be successful and the majority of people don't fall into the lifestyle.
He once asked us why we weren't able to do well and we told him nobody likes to be blind sided with this kind of stuff. You have to be known personally. That or get suckers in but you don't want them in because they go nowhere.
He once asked us why we weren't able to do well and we told him nobody likes to be blind sided with this kind of stuff. You have to be known personally. That or get suckers in but you don't want them in because they go nowhere.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 6/6/19 at 5:36 pm to LouisianaLady
LL I was hoping you had heard this podcast cause I know we share the same disdain yet fascination towards MLMs and how anyone can be suckered into one. And we share the same opinion that LuLaRoe is a horrible MLM that sells shitty fugly leggings
I found the podcast to be very interesting. Liked how they got someone to actually join one to see what it was like.
I would love to link the podcast on my fb but know it would piss off all my FB friends that are still suckered into an MLM. I just wish this message was out more so some of these women (and it’s majority women) could see just how bad of an idea it is to join one. It was really sad hearing story after story of some of these women joining an MLM to be able to actually earn money to support their families....and not only end up not making money with the MLM....but going into debt because of it.
I found the podcast to be very interesting. Liked how they got someone to actually join one to see what it was like.
I would love to link the podcast on my fb but know it would piss off all my FB friends that are still suckered into an MLM. I just wish this message was out more so some of these women (and it’s majority women) could see just how bad of an idea it is to join one. It was really sad hearing story after story of some of these women joining an MLM to be able to actually earn money to support their families....and not only end up not making money with the MLM....but going into debt because of it.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 6:24 pm to lsunurse
I listened to the first 3 episodes today.
The first one is good the second is dull and the third is great.
In the 3rd a reporter joins a MLM and is selling 28 dollar makeup for 64 dollars.
The first one is good the second is dull and the third is great.
In the 3rd a reporter joins a MLM and is selling 28 dollar makeup for 64 dollars.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 6:43 pm to OweO
If i was a physically and mentally handicapped loser with no friends and so much time to be useless that i listened to a podcast on mlm, i would probably just kill myself
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