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re: The craziest/best poker call I've ever seen (270k pot)

Posted on 9/30/22 at 11:21 pm to
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 9/30/22 at 11:21 pm to
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Yeah but this type of thing is usually a home-game type thing. This doesn’t really happen in a real setting.


I've seen it happen more than a few times in the casino, but it is far more often in a home game. And home games are where you can make some serious cash.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 9/30/22 at 11:27 pm to
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Hand was played cards were flipped, how is that cheating?


Each hand you build what's called a range for the opponent to have. You continually try to narrow it down each street and action. What happened here is that she, in theory, narrowed his range down to his exact hand and then made a very thin call against that exact hand.

The problem with that is his entire range is crushing what she's holding. She made a call based on the very bottom of his range with no consideration that he could and more often is crushing her hand.

Hence, why people are wondering if she somehow knew what he was holding. Even then, she's not a huge favorite. It's just a very weird spot.

If you've ever heard someone use the insult "clicking buttons," this is the definition of that. And that very, very rarely happens at high stakes. Even the fish there are at least aware of the basics as other people have said.
This post was edited on 9/30/22 at 11:28 pm
Posted by PeteRose
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Posted on 9/30/22 at 11:36 pm to
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She should have kept the money. Her Twitter is interesting with the dark hallway comment. Of course you can't take any of it at face value.

I would have taken the money back as well if she offered. No serious poker player wouldn't.


Wait, she offered the money and he took it? His net worth is reported around 10 mil. That loss is like 1%. A lot of people laughing at him now. The "GOAT" taking charity.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 9/30/22 at 11:38 pm to
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Wait, she offered the money and he took it? His net worth is reported around 10 mil. That loss is like 1%. A lot of people laughing at him now. The "GOAT" taking charity.


I haven't read that other than here, so I don't know for sure.

Any poker player would have accepted it I think. I sure would. 10 million or not, variance is a bitch and a half.
Posted by LSUintheNW
At your mom’s house
Member since Aug 2009
36782 posts
Posted on 9/30/22 at 11:39 pm to
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I’m trying to understand why he was so shocked. She bluffed and he fell for it. Didn’t she even explain that to him?


You're not understanding very much of the situation to begin with.
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Member since Jan 2011
25740 posts
Posted on 9/30/22 at 11:41 pm to
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I wish I understood poker enough to be appalled at her play.

Imagine it was LSU vs Bama and Paris Hilton was Bama’s coach. And the only play Bama runs all night is the Hail Mary. And Bama throws the Hail Mary from the 1 yard line for a 99 yard TD to win. Then at the press conference Paris talks about how important it was to establish the running game. But a reporter points out the she only called Hail Mary’s, and her response is “Hee hee I really just wanted to screw LSU in the worst way possible hee hee”.
Posted by WinnPtiger
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2011
24952 posts
Posted on 9/30/22 at 11:54 pm to
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Any poker player would have accepted it


which is why someone like Phil Ivey is still playing poker. he’s the smartest guy in the room, just ask him
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 9/30/22 at 11:55 pm to
An even better explanation from his twitter:







Posted by PeteRose
Hall of Fame
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Posted on 10/1/22 at 12:04 am to
1) if she was cheating with someone, shouldn’t they find a better spot?
2) if there was cheating, the integrity of the stream is compromised going forward.
3. lastly, if Garret would've made the winning hand on the river and won the pot, would he make this an issue of this hand?
This post was edited on 10/1/22 at 12:06 am
Posted by Wishnitwas1998
where TN, MS, and AL meet
Member since Oct 2010
63729 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 12:14 am to
So I like poker a lot but I haven't watched this stuff in years, can somebody tell me why they threw 2 different rivers?
Posted by SomethingLikeA
Member since Jul 2013
1220 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 12:19 am to
Cash game. Running it twice. If both all in players agree they can run the board out twice as it’s own separate pot. You could win none, 1 or both
Posted by Seeing Grey
Member since Sep 2015
794 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 12:20 am to
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So I like poker a lot but I haven't watched this stuff in years, can somebody tell me why they threw 2 different rivers?


They are "running it twice“. Pretty common at the higher stakes, especially PLO where there's more coin flip situations. Each river outcome gets a percentage of the pot. It's seen as a way to reduce variance.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 12:29 am to
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if she was cheating with someone, shouldn’t they find a better spot?


Yes, that's part of why everyone is up in arms about it.

quote:

if there was cheating, the integrity of the stream is compromised going forward.


These things are mostly entertainment anyway. Lot of pros all have pieces of each other in the high stakes tv games.

quote:

lastly, if Garret would've made the winning hand on the river and won the pot, would he make this an issue of this hand?


Everyone else probably would have. But he'd keep the money 100%.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 12:31 am to
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especially PLO where there's more coin flip situations


I turned down running it twice or three times twice yesterday. Lost to a one outer for quads and a 2 outer for a straight flush.
Posted by Wishnitwas1998
where TN, MS, and AL meet
Member since Oct 2010
63729 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 12:34 am to
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1) if she was cheating with someone, shouldn’t they find a better spot?


You would if humans were perfect logical robot like machines but we aren't so it's possible in the heat of the moment she fricked up cheating in a situation that would make the cheating too obvious OR, like he mentioned in his post, the large pot size may have caused her to just go for it in a situation where it was too obvious
This post was edited on 10/1/22 at 12:39 am
Posted by Wishnitwas1998
where TN, MS, and AL meet
Member since Oct 2010
63729 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 12:36 am to
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Cash game. Running it twice. If both all in players agree they can run the board out twice as it’s own separate pot. You could win none, 1 or both


Gotya, thanks guys
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George, LA
Member since Aug 2004
80478 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 12:37 am to
So we have another anal vibrator incident?

Do we need cavity searches before chess and poker games?
This post was edited on 10/1/22 at 1:15 am
Posted by PeteRose
Hall of Fame
Member since Aug 2014
17842 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 12:45 am to
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Everyone else probably would have. But he'd keep the money 100%.


So player A cheat to get in a 50/50 situation to win or lose. If player B would've won, he would've kept all the money. But player A ends up winning and gives player B his money back?

So player A cheated but player B was on a free roll. Twilight zone stuff here.
Posted by Caraway Rye
Member since Oct 2021
5108 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 1:11 am to
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Cash game. Running it twice. If both all in players agree they can run the board out twice as it’s own separate pot. You could win none, 1 or both



You can run it as many times as you want if you agree

Or none at all

Ive seen them do it 7 times at Aria on tournaments
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
10341 posts
Posted on 10/1/22 at 1:24 am to
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In the end, there's obviously no way at the moment to know exactly how I was cheated.

fricking drama queen.

Are there rules that say if you’re this table you’re required to play the odds and every hand by the book?

No? Then you played a game of chance and lost. Shut the frick up.
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