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re: The craziest/best poker call I've ever seen (270k pot)
Posted on 10/1/22 at 11:57 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 10/1/22 at 11:57 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I agree. It was a braindead call
It's about her call.
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Posted on 10/1/22 at 11:57 am to SquatchDawg
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Again…if she was cheating why did she call with almost zero chance of winning?
Bc when you are cheating you know you are going to win. She had info on his cards somehow. She didn’t know the 2 river cards but she knew she was “good” when she made that call.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 11:58 am to MileHighDraw
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She wasn’t intimidated
Having a TV player go on a tirade with management after losing a hand is intimidation.
Some people claim this guy is a genius for some reason.
He is shaking down nobodies in the backroom over bad beats.
This is as low as it gets.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 11:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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Wait what? This makes no sense.
It was a bit tongue in cheek, but seriously….given the play if you’re him what hand do you put her on when she calls your raise and then reraises after the flop?
Do you bet $100k on that or call the reraise to see another card. I haven’t rewatched the video but if she calls your getting what 1.6 to 1 on your money? He didn’t have a hand to protect because he was the one on a draw.
I’d have called the $20k to see if I hit any of my outs rather than risk $100k. But I guess that’s why I’m not on TV.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 11:59 am to lance814
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One point negreanu made for the “not cheating” crowd was that she may have thought “ he’s bluffing” but still not studied enough to think that although he is bluffing, his bluffing range still crushes her exact hand. Seems far fetched, but that’s a possibility
That’s all I could come up with too. She thought he was bluffing but for some reason didn’t realize that nearly every hand he could have in the spot still beats her.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 11:59 am to MileHighDraw
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6mo ago all of her poker play was done online in the buy in range of $100-$500.
And 100 online is incredibly different than at the casino. I could try to explain it but something tells me it's a giant waste of time.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 12:00 pm to Caraway Rye
She is in an open casino. With Her BF at the table. And hundreds of people.
She wasn’t intimidated. She and her bf we afraid of the upcoming investigation.
She wasn’t intimidated. She and her bf we afraid of the upcoming investigation.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 12:00 pm to Civildawg
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One thing I don’t think people on here are mentioning is the first couple of streams she was on she played VERY tight. Now all the sudden in this stream on hands even before this one she is check raising with Ace high and calling bluff all ins for 100k. She’s either cheating or just a really, really bad player that doesn’t understand the game at all
Aren’t the best poker players the ones were you cannot get a true read on what they would do and what they have?
Wouldn’t doing stupid things in crazy situations be a perfect way to obscure what you truly think what you have and what you would do?
Sounds like she’s building a great résumé for a future poker pro.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 12:01 pm to SquatchDawg
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What about his play? He raises and she calls
SB v BB.
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representing something.
Amateurs have way too large of BB call ranges typically.
It's a very +EV spot for pros.
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He bets and she reraises…representing something
What is she actually representing with just a call call prior to raising on the turn? That's a pretty insane line. She also just min-raised (which was a bet of only 1/3) which in a way could be a blocker bet?
Amateurs who beg pros to call for a small amount will get punished by pros b/c they will raise the shite out of small raises. You can hear Bart call this before Garrett goes all in. He knows Garrett is going to raise huge b/c of the weird/weak play.
He has an open-ended SF draw. He's got equity against anything other than the top-side of the SF. Literally anything.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 12:02 pm to MileHighDraw
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She wasn’t intimidated
Normal people don't post like he did after this
No doubt he was absolutely ballistic on this
He clearly needed the money more. Not worth it.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 12:02 pm to SquatchDawg
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if you’re him what hand do you put her on when she calls your raise and then reraises after the flop
She raised him on the turn, no?
And she raised small. That signifies weakness or a draw herself
Posted on 10/1/22 at 12:02 pm to MileHighDraw
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Bc when you are cheating you know you are going to win. She had info on his cards somehow. She didn’t know the 2 river cards but she knew she was “good” when she made that call.
She was all in before the last two cards were dealt. If a spotter knew what he had she’s told to fold. Your not “good” when he has that many outs and you have none. The best card she could get was a J and that fills his straight.
Unless she has an idiot for a spotter cheating makes no sense.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 12:03 pm to UncleFestersLegs
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its a game of chance
:insert Jeff gold Blum gif again:
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know you're pretty low iq
Are you going to explain how me leaving how your statement telling me to gamble after I’ve already said I don’t gamble is intellectually dishonest? Or are you just going to keep avoiding it like a bitch?
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but everything isn't binary
Speaking of intellectually dishonest, I’ve never said or argued otherwise. In fact I’ve offered examples and scenarios in this thread proving otherwise.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 12:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
I thought it was the flop but may be wrong. I need to watch again but her raise wasn’t terrible based on the pot size.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 12:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
LINK
This is a very good video about the whole incident with lots of backstory. I encourage everyone to watch it.
This is a very good video about the whole incident with lots of backstory. I encourage everyone to watch it.
This post was edited on 10/1/22 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 10/1/22 at 12:04 pm to SquatchDawg
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but her raise wasn’t terrible based on the pot size.
She just min-raised
$10k into a $30k pot (give or take)
Posted on 10/1/22 at 12:04 pm to SquatchDawg
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It was a bit tongue in cheek, but seriously….given the play if you’re him what hand do you put her on when she calls your raise and then reraises after the flop? Do you bet $100k on that or call the reraise to see another card. I haven’t rewatched the video but if she calls your getting what 1.6 to 1 on your money? He didn’t have a hand to protect because he was the one on a draw. I’d have called the $20k to see if I hit any of my outs rather than risk $100k. But I guess that’s why I’m not on TV.
You don’t put her on hands, you put her on ranges.
In theory, Garrett’s hand is generally a call on her turn min raise, but is a 3 bet at a much lower frequency.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 12:06 pm to lance814
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One point negreanu made for the “not cheating” crowd was that she may have thought “ he’s bluffing” but still not studied enough to think that although he is bluffing, his bluffing range still crushes her exact hand. Seems far fetched, but that’s a possibility
Can you explain to me why she would cheat her way into the shittiest potential ever?
Posted on 10/1/22 at 12:06 pm to UncleFestersLegs
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ou said it's all chance
I’ve said repeatedly that single hands rd different than entire games, and that this single hand is perfect proof of that.
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Yet ignore that continually shoving 10% holdings will go broke 100% of the time
And you keep trying to do the exact opposite of what I just stated above.
It’s ok though, your “luck.” comment still exists.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 12:09 pm to SquatchDawg
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She was all in before the last two cards were dealt. If a spotter knew what he had she’s told to fold. Your not “good” when he has that many outs and you have none. The best card she could get was a J and that fills his straight.
Unless she has an idiot for a spotter cheating makes no sense.
100% this.
All of the she cheated crowd is dismissing the point that she “cheated?” herself into the most losing his hand ever, and got lucky and came out winning.
Cheating would give her zero advantage.
This post was edited on 10/1/22 at 12:10 pm
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