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re: The CDC Lied: The mRNA Wasn’t Meant to “Stay in the Arm”

Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:03 am to
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22862 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:03 am to
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Amazing how this vaccine fear has taking over so many lives.


You’re right. Let’s pretend nothing happened. I’m sure they won’t try something shady again next time.
Posted by countrytiger60
Larose
Member since Sep 2018
4013 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:34 am to
what's really amazing is the number of stupid people who actually took that vaccine. it was an experimental vaccine that was never researched. now we have young people just dropping dead for no good reason. the government lied to you and you took the bait. good little sheep.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22862 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 5:55 am to
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what's really amazing is the number of stupid people who actually took that vaccine. it was an experimental vaccine that was never researched. now we have young people just dropping dead for no good reason. the government lied to you and you took the bait. good little sheep.


Shaming people for taking the vaccine is also stupid and counterproductive. Honestly I think part of the reason it was mandated was in order for people to pick sides and have otherwise like minded people fight among themselves.
Posted by TaderSalad
mudbug territory
Member since Jul 2014
25117 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:02 am to
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The goal posts keep on shifting..


Kinda like 2 weeks to flatten the curve.
Posted by JCinBAMA
North of Huntsville
Member since Oct 2009
17985 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:44 am to
It likes to travel around...

Posted by Earnest_P
Member since Aug 2021
4549 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:51 am to
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Should we not all be dead now? The goal posts keep on shifting...


Not all, but some. Everyone who took it did get the mRNA through their body, though, contrary to what they were told at the time.

“It couldn’t possibly affect the reproductive system. It stays in the deltoid. Stop fear-mongering, so we can give the shot to pregnant women.” That was a typical response to people questioning the vaccine at rollout.
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 7:15 am
Posted by epbart
new york city
Member since Mar 2005
3104 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 11:18 am to
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Did the vaccine "stay in the arm" as they claimed it did?
Whether it did or didn't, you claimed that those pics are evidence that it "wasn't meant" to stay in the arm. Now you're backing off your title's claim. Squirming.


He's not squirming in the least. The pictures are of Özlem Türeci, the Chief Medical Officer of BioNTech, discussing how the BioNTech's mrna vax tech was always intended to reach the lymph nodes. In fact, they wanted to inject it directly into the lymph nodes, but because it was deemed that would turn people off, they developed the lipid nanaparticles that surround the mRNA payload, "in order to ensure that mRNA administered by way of an intramuscular injection would, nonetheless, be widely distributed around the body and thus reach the lymph nodes."

This very explicitly means the premise of the thread is correct. The government & media and anyone else who suggested the vaccine was going stay/mostly stay in the injection site were lying and/or peddling misinformation-- knowingly or otherwise. The lipid nanoparticles were expressly intended to ensure the mRNA would successfully leave the injection site and survive the trip to the lymph nodes. This is not debatable, and the picture is a supporting piece of evidence demonstrating BioNTech discussing this process with others. It is used appropriately in the OP as it is in the article.

As to your secondary points:
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You realize they are going to be researching mRNA treatments to fight cancer and other diseases, don't you? How do we know that the slides are referring to the covid vaccine and not some other future use of mRNA technology where they need it to get to the lymph nodes or other impacted tissues?

You think they are done with only creating a covid vax? "Vaccine" doesn't only mean covid vaccine.

These points are irrelevant to the argument, and you are the one who is squirming away from the point of the OP. It can be true that BioNTech will make future vaccines / cancer treatments using mRNA carried by lipids to the lymph nodes without invalidating the fact that they definitely used a lipid carrier in the covid jab to ensure the mRNA payload would successfully travel out of the injection site. The premise remains true that the government was lying to US citizens.

I'll break this out into a sort of syllogism for logical clarity...

A. BioNTech mRNA vaccines using lipid nanoparticles were intended to make the mRNA payload travel from the injection site throughout the body to make sure they reached the lymph nodes.

B. BioNTech's Covid-19 vaccine (using the word vaccine loosely) is an mRNA vaccine using lipid nanoparticles.

C. Therefore, BioNTech's Covid-19 vaccine was always intended to leave the arm/injection site to reach the lymph nodes.

The syllogism appears true & unambiguous.

There's no way the CDC/FDA, etc, could be ignorant of this. Therefore they lied to the public. They have admitted at other times they lied to the public as a matter of expedience for their agenda, so this shouldn't be shocking. If you'd like to argue the government has not at times lied to the public, I'm all ears.
Posted by rickyh
Positiger Nation
Member since Dec 2003
12751 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 11:38 am to
This information has been out there for well over a year. Probably before the shot was available. But then, the shot was ready before the Virus was released. Why are people just learning about this when we all shared videos showing this exact thing?
Posted by immobileman
nowhere in particular
Member since Nov 2014
1856 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 11:42 am to
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Amazing how this vaccine fear has taking over so many lives.


You sound heavily vaxxed. Can you hook me up with some long term studies? I am sure it will be great stuff.
Posted by immobileman
nowhere in particular
Member since Nov 2014
1856 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 11:58 am to
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It'a amazing how people just let the headlines consume them. They need propaganda like I need oxygen.


When CNN et al scared the masses it was safe and effective right? You were allowed to have Thanksgiving with your family right? Thanks Government, so kind.

Then you couldn't transmitted if you got it. But I thought the vaccine meant you wouldn't get it. Ooops.

Then you can spread it but you won't be hospitalized.

Then you may be hospitalized but your symptoms will be mild.

Then the vaxxed became the higher percentage in the hospital.

Then people began dying in ways that created a new label/term SADS. But there is no link to the vaccine because we don't want to look at the vaccine.

Now more information is coming out and those who were vaxxed are like, that's dumb... No it is very relevant to a premature technology that has poisoned people.
Posted by Lokistale
Member since Aug 2013
1239 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 12:52 pm to
Excess deaths Jan.2020 to Dec 2022

Since the pandemic in 2020 the excess deaths had increased; initially deaths from COVID, but recently deaths attributed to COVID have dropped, yet excess deaths from non-COVID causes are still elevated in in most countries (except Romania at-4%).

Country name % of excess deaths (% of population vaccinated with 2 doses)

Australia 9% (82.7%)

Canada 3% (82.6%)

Denmark 30% (80.8%)

England 20% (79.5%)

Finland 9% (78.5%)

France 25% (78.4%)

Germany 43% (76.2%)

Hungary 11% (62.3%)

Ireland 20% (80.8%)

Netherlands 37% (68.1%)

Norway 28% (74.6%)

New Zealand 17% (79.8%)

Poland 21% (56.8%)

Portugal 6% (86.6%)

Romania –4% (43.1%)

Scotland 13% (78.4%)

South Korea 18% (85.8%)

Slovakia 2% (45.7%)

Sweden 9% (72.4%)

Switzerland 12% (68.8%)

Taiwan 25% (86.7%)

United States 12% (69.2%)

Basic Epidemiology:
quote:

Epidemiology is concerned with the frequency and pattern of health events in a population:

Frequency refers not only to the number of health events such as the number of cases of meningitis or diabetes in a population, but also to the relationship of that number to the size of the population. The resulting rate allows epidemiologists to compare disease occurrence across different populations.

Pattern refers to the occurrence of health-related events by time, place, and person. Time patterns may be annual, seasonal, weekly, daily, hourly, weekday versus weekend, or any other breakdown of time that may influence disease or injury occurrence. Place patterns include geographic variation, urban/rural differences, and location of work sites or schools. Personal characteristics include demographic factors which may be related to risk of illness, injury, or disability such as age, sex, marital status, and socioeconomic status, as well as behaviors and environmental exposures.


There's frequency, but is there a pattern of excess deaths?

Rearrange % excess deaths from most to least:

Germany 43% (76.2%)

Netherlands 37% (68.1%)

Denmark 30% (80.8%)

Norway 28% (74.6%)

Taiwan 25% (86.7%)

France 25% (78.4%)

Poland 21% (56.8%)

Ireland 20% (80.8%)

England 20% (79.5%)

S.Korea 18% (85.8%)

N.Zealand 17% (79.8%)

Scotland 13% (78.4%)

Switzerland 12% (68.8%)

United States 12% (69.2%)

Hungary 11% (62.3%)

Australia 9% (82.7%)

Sweden 9% (72.4%)

Finland 9% (78.5%)

Portugal 6% (86.6%)

Canada 3% (82.6%)

Slovakia 2% (45.7%)

Romania –4% (43.1%)
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 1:08 pm
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
47620 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 1:10 pm to
They probably were lying, but we’ve known the mRNA was in the lymph nodes for over a year. I’ve posted about it on here months ago.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
92641 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 1:15 pm to
quote:

Amazing how this vaccine fear has taking over so many lives.



You figure this exceeds the abject COVID fear that still dominates millions of masked citizens? Or you think those folks are also fearing the vaccine?
Posted by greenbean
USAF Retired - 31 years
Member since Feb 2019
5774 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 1:18 pm to
I got the single does one, hopefully, that's not as bad.
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