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Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:53 am to bamafan1001
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As someone who has studied this extensively, mechanics cant save your shoulder from overuse. A proper dose of rest plus carefully planned resistance exercises can.
Yep. I have seen players with pristine mechanics have major, career ending injuries. Overuse is a huge issue.
Moreover, people are different. Some people have stronger ligaments, muscles, better recovery, etc.
For every Dominican that throws "500-600" balls per day and succeeds, there are probably 30 that have debilitating injuries.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:53 am to GeismarGeauxer
Played travel baseball my entire life until I got to college. Not a single friend of mine who I played with or against ever had Tommy John's that I can remember. Not one. Must have been hundreds of kids I knew playing.
Also, not reading "Yellow Hammer News." What the frick is that?
Also, not reading "Yellow Hammer News." What the frick is that?
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:57 am to LoveThatMoney
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not reading "Yellow Hammer News."
Its a small publication evidently that picked up the story from a bigger publication. And regardless of where its from, James Andrews is kindof an expert on the subject.....so maybe its worth the read.
I don't think he's saying that it is going to happen on every team, what he is saying is that it is absolutely trending upward at a rate he doesn't like, and that the risk is not worth the reward.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:59 am to LoveThatMoney
quote:Scruffy doubts this completely.
Played travel baseball my entire life until I got to college. Not a single friend of mine who I played with or against ever had Tommy John's that I can remember. Not one. Must have been hundreds of kids I knew playing.
You kept up with every single kid you played against and with?
You, sir, are full of mucho guano.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:00 am to GeismarGeauxer
thanks for posting this. Very good read
Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:15 am to bigpetedatiga
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As someone who has studied this extensively, mechanics cant save your shoulder from overuse. A proper dose of rest plus carefully planned resistance exercises can.
In theory.
If you study Japanese pitchers, you would see that they pitch a lot more then american pitchers and generally have less blowout.
Not saying you are wrong but id have to see that. Genetics play a big role in risk for arm problems. Someone who has more laxity in their joints is less likely to develop shoulder problems than others from throwing.
Someone mentioned earlier that risk for arm issues is largely dependent on the individual. That is absolutely true.
For those that have kids that pitch a lot. Look at your kid's back without his shirt off. If his throwing side scapula is significantly different than his non-throwing side(ex: one side is "winging out") that is your first red flag.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:16 am to tgrbaitn08
THE RINGS ARE EVERYWHERE!
Also, the first time my kid gets yelled at by a know-it-all coach for striking out or missing a ground ball, I'm going to set an even worse example by flipping my lid. Thats not how you teach. There are so many good opportunities to teach so many life lessons...unfortunately, one of those lessons has become 'how to recognize a dickhead with deep feelings of inadequacy'
Also, the first time my kid gets yelled at by a know-it-all coach for striking out or missing a ground ball, I'm going to set an even worse example by flipping my lid. Thats not how you teach. There are so many good opportunities to teach so many life lessons...unfortunately, one of those lessons has become 'how to recognize a dickhead with deep feelings of inadequacy'
Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:25 am to bamafan1001
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Someone mentioned earlier that risk for arm issues is largely dependent on the individual. That is absolutely true.
Of course!
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Not saying you are wrong but id have to see that. Genetics play a big role in risk for arm problems. Someone who has more laxity in their joints is less likely to develop shoulder problems than others from throwing.
Also true. I remember there being a few Japanese players in the MLB upset. They felt like their clubs did not know how to handle "their" arms. Saying it was different here then over there.
There may be something to that.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:36 am to AUjim
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the first time my kid gets yelled at by a know-it-all coach for striking out or missing a ground ball, I'm going to set an even worse example by flipping my lid.
The line for participation trophy ball forms back there. Jump on in, the water's fine.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:41 am to BoogaBear
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e didn't complain when he did my surgeries.
They should be more concerned with teaching the kids proper mechanics instead of worrying about overuse.
Some other countries throw 500-600 balls a day, no issues. We get in a hoopla over 70+ from the mound?
Pussification, teach proper mechanics and you have no issues.
But not every kid's physiologically designed to throw that much regardless of mechanics. In fact, they could spend their whole life trying to obtain these proper mechanics, but at the end of the day, their arm just isn't designed to get into the mechanics you speak of, and it may in fact make it worse. Also, its just not fricking worth it to go balls to the wall even if there isn't a risk of injury. It's ridiculous on more than one level, the injury aspect just might be the thing that wakes up Mr. & Mrs. Insano with their young Johnny future pro.
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Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:43 am to AUjim
God, don't be that dad. Y'all are worse than the coaches.
Parents, here is one rule you should follow.
Shut the frick up. Don't yell at the coaches. Don't yell at the kids. Don't yell at the other team.
And for the love of God, don't yell at the umps.
It's embarrassing and your kids hate you.
Thankfully, Scruffy's parents were never like that.
Parents, here is one rule you should follow.
Shut the frick up. Don't yell at the coaches. Don't yell at the kids. Don't yell at the other team.
And for the love of God, don't yell at the umps.
It's embarrassing and your kids hate you.
Thankfully, Scruffy's parents were never like that.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:45 am to GeismarGeauxer
There's a reason the travel ball fad is big in the lower and lower-middle classes and hasn't crept into upper-middle and upper class circles. Most successful and secure parents don't have a need to live vicariously through their kids, so they don't assume the risk of pushing them to their physical limit for the sake of playground baseball.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:54 am to Rickety Cricket
I didn't say participation trophies were a good idea-you're missing the point.
If you think you're doing your kid a favor by letting some jackass who doesn't know anything yell at your kid rather than teach him fundamentals, focus, and the ability to move on to the next play as opposed to being scared out of his mind to screw up, then you're part of the problem.
I'd never yell at an umpire or another kid, but I'm not going to tolerate a bully.
Edit: We're not talking about grown up, mostly emotionally mature adults playing in college. We're talking about children.
If you think you're doing your kid a favor by letting some jackass who doesn't know anything yell at your kid rather than teach him fundamentals, focus, and the ability to move on to the next play as opposed to being scared out of his mind to screw up, then you're part of the problem.
I'd never yell at an umpire or another kid, but I'm not going to tolerate a bully.
Edit: We're not talking about grown up, mostly emotionally mature adults playing in college. We're talking about children.
This post was edited on 1/15/15 at 10:56 am
Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:55 am to GeismarGeauxer
I don't think the issue is travel ball per se. The problem is that coaches and parents don't know how to properly practice and how to give kids breaks. I've seen travel baseball teams that suit 12 players total. Expand that to 16-17, and rotate the kids through. Limit pitch counts - and if a kid hits his pitch count - he's out the game... not just go play another position.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:56 am to AUjim
No decent coach will want to mess with you, no matter how good your kid is. There are enough good players out there without having to put up with bleacher coaches. Your job is to cheer, and leave coaching up to the coaches. What goes on in the dugout is none of your business.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 11:01 am to GeismarGeauxer
I like how the point of the article is "year round sports worked for me and the 10 year old kid that went on to play MLB, but all the rest of you should not do it."
Posted on 1/15/15 at 11:04 am to Rickety Cricket
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There's a reason the travel ball fad is big in the lower and lower-middle classes and hasn't crept into upper-middle and upper class circles.
Know how I know you don't live on the Northshore?
Posted on 1/15/15 at 11:05 am to Rickety Cricket
You'd be surprised at how many prominent, wealthy business owners have their kids in travel ball.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 11:07 am to Meauxjeaux
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Know how I know you don't live on the Northshore?
He's never been to Mountain Brook or Vestavia Hills, AL either. It takes way too much money for a lower-income family to be involved with travel ball.
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