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re: The Battle of Franklin 1864

Posted on 12/16/22 at 6:21 am to
Posted by Sus-Scrofa
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 12/16/22 at 6:21 am to
Yall know it is possible to talk about specific battles and events from the Civil War without it turning into one of these pissing matches right?
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 12/16/22 at 6:50 am to
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western Federal soldiers were better than eastern soldiers (which Hood had fought). Hood thought if you charged right at them they would break


Is that what Hood learned at Little Round Top, eastern Union soldiers would flee in the face of a determined attack

Little Round Top was somewhat of an exception to the rule up to that point. After Gettysburg, and especially after Grant came into the field in the east, that changed. But up until that point it did seem to hold true.

I think one thing is that the Federal soldiers who fought in the east were, for the most part, from the northeast and while they certainly weren't prep school elites, a good many of them had come from a slightly higher position in life.

The soldiers in the west came more from the Midwestern states, from the old Ohio territory states (Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin) and had come up harder, rougher, mostly the sons of farmers and such, and so they did have a bit more mettle to them. They also viewed the world much like their Confederate counterparts. This is one reason that you see fraternization between the lines after battles and in camps much more often in the west than you did in the east.
Posted by Seen
Member since Aug 2022
1127 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 6:57 am to
We still in here talking about Mr Rapey (Sherman)?
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
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Posted on 12/16/22 at 7:35 am to
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Yall know it is possible to talk about specific battles and events from the Civil War without it turning into one of these pissing matches right?


Tell that to the OP then.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
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Posted on 12/16/22 at 7:39 am to
It’s still shocking to me that Yankees were willing to send so many men to die just to force gay marriage and drag queen story hour on us
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 12/16/22 at 7:39 am to
Posted by SuperSaint
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Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 12/16/22 at 7:48 am to
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Unfortunately he was a white supremacist, and even more sadly, so are you

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by Seen
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:25 am to
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...the Japanese were going to put a rifle, a bayonet, a spear, whatever conceivable weapon they could, in the hands of all their citizens should the Americans land on the big island. The south wouldn’t have done that and never alluded to doing that.

You say you read, but you act like you don't.

Sherman covered that in his letter:

We must have Peace, not only in Atlanta, but in All America. To secure this, we must stop the war that now desolates our once happy and favored country. To stop war, we must defeat the rebel armies which are now arrayed against the laws and Constitution that all must respect and obey. To defeat those armies, we must prepare the way to reach them in their recesses, provided with the arms and instruments which enable us to accomplish our purpose. Now I know the vindictive nature of our enemy, that we may have many years of military operations from this quarter; and, therefore, deem it wise and prudent to prepare in time.

And you baws just underscore his point by keeping this shite alive for ONE HUNDRED FIFTY-SEVEN frickING YEARS.

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Sherman did it to human beings. LeMay and Doolittle and FDR and Truman did it to human beings.


See how that works?

You must remove not only the capacity to make war, but also the will.

But again, why is it so hard for you to understand that if you fire on the US Army, real bad shite is going to happen to you? Level-headed people, like Sherman, understood that the South would never achieve its aims through armed conflict with the US Army. Southerners then, much like today, were arrogant blow-hards that couldn't back up their big talk. They got their shite pushed in, and are still making excuses and crying about it.
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The civil war, and the actions taken by the tyrant Abraham Lincoln, sowed the seeds of...

...taking a collection of states and forming a nation - the most powerful nation the planet has ever seen.


Just like when the US went from a confederation to a federated republic, compromises were made for the greater good during the CW. It is how we've achieved greatness.
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
14217 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 1:27 pm to
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But again, why is it so hard for you to understand that if you fire on the US Army, real bad shite is going to happen to you?


Don't trespass on land that is not yours and you won't get fired upon.

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Level-headed people, like Sherman, understood that the South would never achieve its aims through armed conflict with the US Army.


I'm fairly certain that much of the southern leadership did not think the Confederate Army was going to sweep the Union Army off the field completely.

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Southerners then, much like today, were arrogant blow-hards that couldn't back up their big talk.


Right, sure.

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compromises were made for the greater good during the CW


600,000+ dead men would probably disagree with that assertion. But then again, when does a tyrant ever give a frick about the lives lost in their lustful grasps for total power and autonomy over a people?

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To stop war, we must defeat the rebel armies which are now arrayed against the laws and Constitution that all must respect and obey.


They were so arrayed against it that they virtually mirrored the fricking thing with their own Constitution. Oh by the way, the thing did not forbid secession, but a tyrant doesn't worry himself with frivolous things like laws.

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They got their shite pushed in, and are still making excuses and crying about it.


The only one I see here making excuses is you for your undying love for a murderer and rapist. The south didn't wantonly murder women and children. The south didn't wantonly rape women. No sir, that was the north. That was your hero Sherman.
Posted by MAROON
Houston
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 12/16/22 at 1:53 pm to
went to a pre-wedding brunch at a house off Battery Road near Bell Meade once. They owner had one of the most amazing collections of cannon balls, mini balls, etc. All of it had been found on his lot. Apparently it was the site of a Union Battery during the battle of Nashville and I assume Franklin. The Confederates had another battery and they both lobbed shells back and forth at each other.

A couple of the cannon balls he hit with his mower - which much have been unnerving.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 12/16/22 at 3:24 pm to
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Don't trespass on land that is not yours and you won't get fired upon.

Sherman covered that in his letter as well:

I repeat then that, by the original compact of Government, the United States had certain rights in Georgia, which have never been relinquished and never will be; that the South began war by seizing forts, arsenals, mints, custom-houses, etc., etc., long before Mr. Lincoln was installed, and before the South had one jot or title of provocation.
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Right, sure.

Check out the SEC Rant whenever an SEC team loses to a Big10 team. It's absolutely hysterical.
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600,000+ dead men would probably disagree with that assertion.

You want to put those deaths at Lincoln's feet when Jefferson Davis is to blame - well, and Beauregard. That you want to blame Lincoln just shows your bias.
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The south didn't wantonly murder women and children.

bullshite. Southerners were raping, pillaging and plundering their own people. You have no idea what was going on in Georgia in the wake of Sherman's army. You're just caught up in some romantic fantasy. Don't forget the murdering and mayhem caused by people such as Quantrill and Forrest. Or the atrocities committed in Missouri by both sides. Maybe someday you'll read about what was going on in Vicksburg during the siege, and actually understand it.
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but a tyrant doesn't worry himself with frivolous things like laws.

Lincoln was no more a tyrant than Davis.

The South started the war, therefore they are responsible for all the resulting horrors.

But that you have such strong feelings for shite you never actually experienced suggests that this is really about something else.
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