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re: The average work week in the 1890s was 100 hours

Posted on 7/21/20 at 2:37 pm to
Posted by lepdagod
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 7/21/20 at 2:37 pm to
The average work week for a slave 30 years earlier in the summertime was 126 hours (Sunday as a rest day for slaves is a myth made up in the early 1900’s) unpaid... 100 hours doesn’t seem that bad
Posted by WaydownSouth
Stratton Oakmont
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Posted on 7/21/20 at 2:39 pm to
I’m working 84 this week
Posted by alphamicro
Shreveport
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Posted on 7/21/20 at 3:11 pm to
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Thanks but I’m not sure there’d be any records. The first 10 years of their childhood they lived in tents on the outskirts of town, if you can even fathom that. I still wonder if they were f-ing with me when they told me that.
Well, even in tents there are still probably census records. Those census records have columns for occupation and industry (and sometimes name the particular employer).

If you are curious and aren't worried about doxing yourself give me your GG Grandfather's name and I'll let you know what info shows up in Caddo Parish for the early 1900s. I found it interesting how many of my ancestors back then were illiterate and how few of their kids went past the 5th grade. (The 1890 census was accidentally destroyed and 1880 sounds too early so I would probably just check 1900-1920.)
Posted by The Third Leg
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Posted on 7/21/20 at 3:16 pm to
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A lot of scary words here and countless accusations, but not a single example of HOW the Industrial Revolution directly led to anything on this list of grievances and atrocities.

It’s the opening line to the Unabomber’s manifesto.
Posted by MimosaRouge
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 7/21/20 at 3:30 pm to
The great great grandfather worked in some factory in Shreveport and she did industrial laundry from what I gather.

Why did they have 11 kids if both parents worked non farm jobs?
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
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Posted on 7/21/20 at 3:32 pm to
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People are miserable now because we’re not wired to have so much leisure time
Posted by jcaz
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Posted on 7/21/20 at 3:35 pm to
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You lazy, broke dick pieces of shits wouldn't understand hard work.

Ok boomer
Work smarter, not harder.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 7/21/20 at 3:37 pm to
Goddamn, that’s 14.3 hours a day if you work all 7 days, or 16.66 hours if you work 6.

frick that.
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 7/21/20 at 3:38 pm to
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People are miserable now because we’re not wired to have so much leisure time


Take it easy Stalin
Posted by Ash Williams
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Posted on 7/21/20 at 3:38 pm to
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women were men


Not always a good thing

Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 7/21/20 at 3:39 pm to
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People are miserable now because we’re not wired to have so much leisure time




I actually agree. Life is so easy comparatively we've created an even harder life mentally to compensate.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 7/21/20 at 3:42 pm to
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I know a lot of successful people that put in 100 hours a week.
No you don’t.

As I said, that’s either 14.3 or 16.66 hours a day. I know of no one who works that much.
Posted by The Third Leg
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Posted on 7/21/20 at 3:51 pm to
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People are miserable now because we’re not wired to have so much leisure time

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I actually agree. Life is so easy comparatively we've created an even harder life mentally to compensate.

THE POWER PROCESS

33. Human beings have a need (probably based in biology) for something that we will call the “power process.” This is closely related to the need for power (which is widely recognized) but is not quite the same thing. The power process has four elements. The three most clear-cut of these we call goal, effort and attainment of goal. (Everyone needs to have goals whose attainment requires effort, and needs to succeed in attaining at least some of his goals.) The fourth element is more difficult to define and may not be necessary for everyone. We call it autonomy and will discuss it later (paragraphs 42-44).

34. Consider the hypothetical case of a man who can have anything he wants just by wishing for it. Such a man has power, but he will develop serious psychological problems. At first he will have a lot of fun, but by and by he will become acutely bored and demoralized. Eventually he may become clinically depressed. History shows that leisured aristocracies tend to become decadent. This is not true of fighting aristocracies that have to struggle to maintain their power. But leisured, secure aristocracies that have no need to exert themselves usually become bored, hedonistic and demoralized, even though they have power. This shows that power is not enough. One must have goals toward which to exercise one’s power.

35. Everyone has goals; if nothing else, to obtain the physical necessities of life: food, water and whatever clothing and shelter are made necessary by the climate. But the leisured aristocrat obtains these things without effort. Hence his boredom and demoralization.

36. Nonattainment of important goals results in death if the goals are physical necessities, and in frustration if nonattainment of the goals is compatible with survival. Consistent failure to attain goals throughout life results in defeatism, low self-esteem or depression.

37, Thus, in order to avoid serious psychological problems, a human being needs goals whose attainment requires effort, and he must have a reasonable rate of success in attaining his goals.

SURROGATE ACTIVITIES

38. But not every leisured aristocrat becomes bored and demoralized. For example, the emperor Hirohito, instead of sinking into decadent hedonism, devoted himself to marine biology, a field in which he became distinguished. When people do not have to exert themselves to satisfy their physical needs they often set up artificial goals for themselves. In many cases they then pursue these goals with the same energy and emotional involvement that they otherwise would have put into the search for physical necessities. Thus the aristocrats of the Roman Empire had their literary pretensions; many European aristocrats a few centuries ago invested tremendous time and energy in hunting, though they certainly didn’t need the meat; other aristocracies have competed for status through elaborate displays of wealth; and a few aristocrats, like Hirohito, have turned to science.

39. We use the term “surrogate activity” to designate an activity that is directed toward an artificial goal that people set up for themselves merely in order to have some goal to work toward, or let us say, merely for the sake of the “fulfillment” that they get from pursuing the goal. Here is a rule of thumb for the identification of surrogate activities. Given a person who devotes much time and energy to the pursuit of goal X, ask yourself this: If he had to devote most of his time and energy to satisfying his biological needs, and if that effort required him to use his physical and mental faculties in a varied and interesting way, would he feel seriously deprived because he did not attain goal X? If the answer is no, then the person’s pursuit of goal X is a surrogate activity. Hirohito’s studies in marine biology clearly constituted a surrogate activity, since it is pretty certain that if Hirohito had had to spend his time working at interesting non-scientific tasks in order to obtain the necessities of life, he would not have felt deprived because he didn’t know all about the anatomy and life-cycles of marine animals. On the other hand the pursuit of sex and love (for example) is not a surrogate activity, because most people, even if their existence were otherwise satisfactory, would feel deprived if they passed their lives without ever having a relationship with a member of the opposite sex. (But pursuit of an excessive amount of sex, more than one really needs, can be a surrogate activity.)

40. In modern industrial society only minimal effort is necessary to satisfy one’s physical needs. It is enough to go through a training program to acquire some petty technical skill, then come to work on time and exert the very modest effort needed to hold a job. The only requirements are a moderate amount of intelligence and, most of all, simple OBEDIENCE. If one has those, society takes care of one from cradle to grave. (Yes, there is an underclass that cannot take the physical necessities for granted, but we are speaking here of mainstream society.) Thus it is not surprising that modern society is full of surrogate activities. These include scientific work, athletic achievement, humanitarian work, artistic and literary creation, climbing the corporate ladder, acquisition of money and material goods far beyond the point at which they cease to give any additional physical satisfaction, and social activism when it addresses issues that are not important for the activist personally, as in the case of white activists who work for the rights of nonwhite minorities. These are not always PURE surrogate activities, since for many people they may be motivated in part by needs other than the need to have some goal to pursue. Scientific work may be motivated in part by a drive for prestige, artistic creation by a need to express feelings, militant social activism by hostility. But for most people who pursue them, these activities are in large part surrogate activities. For example, the majority of scientists will probably agree that the “fulfillment” they get from their work is more important than the money and prestige they earn

41. For many if not most people, surrogate activities are less satisfying than the pursuit of real goals (that is, goals that people would want to attain even if their need for the power process were already fulfilled). One indication of this is the fact that, in many or most cases, people who are deeply involved in surrogate activities are never satisfied, never at rest. Thus the money-maker constantly strives for more and more wealth. The scientist no sooner solves one problem than he moves on to the next. The long-distance runner drives himself to run always farther and faster. Many people who pursue surrogate activities will say that they get far more fulfillment from these activities than they do from the “mundane” business of satisfying their biological needs, but that is because in our society the effort needed to satisfy the biological needs has been reduced to triviality. More importantly, in our society people do not satisfy their biological needs AUTONOMOUSLY but by functioning as parts of an immense social machine. In contrast, people generally have a great deal of autonomy in pursuing their surrogate activities.
Posted by DiamondDog
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Posted on 7/21/20 at 4:02 pm to
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Posted by Woodreaux
OC California
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 7/21/20 at 4:43 pm to
Point 34 is a stretch. A reason we tend to operate as: goal, effort, achieve is it's very a naturally suited to the reality in which we live. If someone gets anything they want simply by whim, they could also simply wish to be more easily satisfied.

I value thought experiments, but when projecting cause & effect with hypothetical scenarios one cannot successfully assert any arbitrary thing just because an impossible precondition is assumed. Even chaos doesn't work that way.

I'm not sure what the source of this, or the context is, so I don't wank to jump to conclusions; but I'm not feeling point 34 or any of the ones downstream built upon it.

The point being, the author of that text is presuming far too much about human nature. If it's based on own his/her/their ideas, they need to learn more before trying publish philosophies about we operate.
Posted by offshoretrash
Farmerville, La
Member since Aug 2008
10528 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 6:11 pm to
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Thanks but I’m not sure there’d be any records. The first 10 years of their childhood they lived in tents on the outskirts of town, if you can even fathom that. I still wonder if they were f-ing with me when they told me that.


I doubt it, my dad is 78 and was born in a one room shack with a dirt floor. Up until WWII it wasn't easy getting out of poverty.

I can believe that people working in industrial factories worked 100hrs a week. Poor people were basically white slaves.

During peak season farmers worked more than 100 hrs a week or their family and live stock starved.
Posted by Methuselah
On da Riva
Member since Jan 2005
23350 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 6:51 pm to
Lot's of fun perks for the working man back in the good ole days - company stores, child labor, sweat shops, etc. And the economy still managed to stumble into depressions, recessions and economic panics on a fairly regular basis.

Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
14026 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 8:22 pm to
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Think about how much more shite we get done.


We get the same amount of stuff done. We just screw off more.
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