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re: The amount of old people I see working menial jobs these days is way too high

Posted on 2/27/23 at 9:59 am to
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 9:59 am to
For me it’s just funny that the prevailing notion is that these old people don’t have to work, they’re just doing it for fun.

Most Americans aged 65-69 have less than 100k liquid to their names. They aren’t working for fun. They are working because they won’t survive otherwise.

Maybe you feel differently but fortunately or unfortunately facts don’t care about your feelings.
This post was edited on 2/27/23 at 10:01 am
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 9:59 am to
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So, the moral of the story: some people from our generation learned to work, not take hand outs or giveaways.


Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282189 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 10:03 am to
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I’m gathering that old people are taking jobs from the highly motivated young people


I know. Poor Zoomers are getting crushed between boomers and Mexicans.



Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
57874 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 10:03 am to
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Lots of angry young folks in here mad at old people for working. Seems weird to me but whatever
you are retarded if that’s your takeaway

It’s very sad that elderly people are working these retail/gig economy jobs in such high numbers. You can spin it as “they are bored” or “they need social interaction” but they should have friends, family, and social clubs for that.

Sorry, but there’s nothing positive or endearing about a 78 year old delivering nachos or checking people out at Winn Dixie.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
75054 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 10:04 am to
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For me it’s just funny that the prevailing notion is that these old people don’t have to work, they’re just doing it for fun.
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Most Americans aged 65-69 have less than 100k liquid to their names. They aren’t working for fun. They are working because they won’t survive otherwise.
Fully agree with this.

If you can do it for fun, more power to you, but, as you stated, with the statistical analyses that we have, the majority are likely doing it to survive.

The boomer generation was probably the first real “keeping up with the Joneses” generation, and this is the outcome.
This post was edited on 2/27/23 at 10:05 am
Posted by TimeOutdoors
LA
Member since Sep 2014
12887 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 10:05 am to
I want a menial job when I’m older. My plan is to volunteer, but I want something that keeps me active and busy.
Posted by Toptigerfan86
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2022
2833 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 10:05 am to
I don’t pretend to know what everyone’s circumstances are and you shouldn’t either.

I didn’t realize we were only talking about 65-69 year olds. Interesting cherry picking of statistics there.

nobody’s feelings on this matter but it’s a discussion board so if people disagreeing with you is upsetting maybe you can find a safe space or try to cancel those of us with a different opinion than your own
Posted by TexasTiger89
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2005
25693 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 10:06 am to
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It's not always what it seems when you see old people with these low paying jobs. Some do it to keep themselves occupied.


I worked at McDonalds a couple of years in high school. During the school year we had a group of retirees who worked the breakfast shift to keep themselves occupied and interacting with people. During the summer they would take off and let us high schoolers take over the shift and earn more summer money. Worked out for everybody.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
75054 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 10:07 am to
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I don’t pretend to know what everyone’s circumstances are and you shouldn’t either.
It isn’t really a “knowing people’s circumstances” situation.

Research shows that the average boomer has ~$160,000 in their retirement savings.

That is fricking insane. I eclipsed that during fellowship by saving and maxing out my input.

The vast majority of this is simply poor planning.
This post was edited on 2/27/23 at 10:09 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282189 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 10:08 am to
Lots of old folks volunteer with visitor services locally, or work part time gigs driving tour buses, etc.

Its a great retirement and summer gig for teachers, evidently. They do it mainly to be involved in something. Lord knows they have pensions.
Posted by Toptigerfan86
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2022
2833 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 10:09 am to
You’re retarded if that’s YOUR takeaway from my posts

I agree if people have to do it then yea it’s sad. Unlike some, I’m not gonna pretend to know everything about the elderly I encounter so I won’t disparage them for trying to contribute to society while the young people cry on social media about someone not supporting their sex change operations
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 10:09 am to
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For me it’s just funny that the prevailing notion is that these old people don’t have to work, they’re just doing it for fun.

Most Americans aged 65-69 have less than 100k liquid to their names.

They aren’t working for fun. They are working because they won’t survive otherwise.

Maybe you feel differently but fortunately or unfortunately facts don’t care about your feelings.


And honestly, I find the “well they just didn’t save enough” line to be in a vacuum as well.

Most of those folks lived through, now, several recessions.

My Grandmother has never lived beyond her means. She was always told she would be Abel to live off SS (as most their age were). What savings they had were spent when my Grandfather fell ill with his second bout of lung cancer (which also claimed his life). That’s all it took to wipe that out.

The woman drove a 1992 GEO Prism until this year.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
38627 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 10:10 am to
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I don’t pretend to know what everyone’s circumstances are and you shouldn’t either.


I don’t have to pretend. It’s an undeniable fact that about half of all Americans aged 65 or older have ~100k or less in liquid assets.

You seem to be denying this reality. Very odd.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 2/27/23 at 10:10 am to
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I've been blessed beyond measure from having Depression era parents who instilled in us the meaning of being on the job on time, every day.


This!

My parents went through World War I, Dust Bowl, Great Depression. and World War and as it was fresh in their minds, we were taught to work hard, keep a job, and save 10% of your paycheck for your future. They told me somedays you have chicken to eat and some days you just have feathers. main thing was never saw them waste anything.

It is hard, but you have to be willing to work hard and make choices instead of going in debt to have it all now.
Posted by Toptigerfan86
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2022
2833 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 10:11 am to
So it’s a value judgment? Got it

I agree that in those cases it is sad. Again, not knowing what the individual’s life circumstances are, I’ll withhold criticism and simply thank them for working and paying taxes since we can no longer count that as a given among younger generations
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
75054 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 10:11 am to
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And honestly, I find the “well they just didn’t save enough” line to be in a vacuum as well.
I disagree.

Yes, there are a multitude of factors, but the largest factor is likely their own spending and saving habits.
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My Grandmother has never lived beyond her means. She was always told she would be Abel to live off SS (as most their age were). What savings they had were spent when my Grandfather fell ill with his second bout of lung cancer (which also claimed his life). That’s all it took to wipe that out.
That is a whole different situation than the average individual, IMO.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282189 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 10:12 am to
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I agree if people have to do it then yea it’s sad. Unlike some, I’m not gonna pretend to know everything about the elderly I encounter

Most locally have pensions, still work or volunteer.

Dumbass retired from our place a few years ago, had all kind of visions. Went to Arizona to play golf forever, now he's back working at the ski area for ski time.
This post was edited on 2/27/23 at 10:14 am
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
24791 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 10:12 am to
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My old bus driver from elementary drove buses for over 40 years and worked on lawnmowers on the weekends for extra cash. You would think after 40 years, you could retire and enjoy the rest of your life. Nope.


Bus drivers for schools don’t make enough that they can retire.
Posted by Toptigerfan86
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2022
2833 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 10:13 am to
To what do attribute those numbers? Surely you must know the reasons
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
75054 posts
Posted on 2/27/23 at 10:13 am to
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So it’s a value judgment? Got it


No, it is a judgement based off of statistical analysis and hard numbers.

The majority planned very poorly. If you want to call that description a judgement of their values, you do you.
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I agree that in those cases it is sad. Again, not knowing what the individual’s life circumstances are, I’ll withhold criticism and simply thank them for working and paying taxes since we can no longer count that as a given among younger generations
The younger generations are as bad with saving.

The discussion topic here is the elderly though.
This post was edited on 2/27/23 at 10:15 am
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