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re: The American prison system

Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:32 am to
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
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Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:32 am to
American prisons are an embarrassment. Any first world country with private prisons should be ashamed of themselves.
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
62216 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:35 am to
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$$$$$


Further proof, the root of all evil.
Posted by gazelles
Member since Apr 2011
1326 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:35 am to
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end the War on Drugs and it would taper off very sharply


lol get a load of this guy going straight for the low hanging fruit
Posted by 19
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Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:55 am to
"The prison system. Inherently unjust, and inhumane, is the ultimate expression of injustice and inhumanity in our society at large. Those of use on the outside do not like to think of wardens and guards as our surrogates, yet they are. And they are intimately locked in a deadly embrace with their human captives, behind prison walls.

By extension, so are we.

A terrible double meaning is thus imparted to the original question of human ethics:

Am I my brother's keeper?"

-Jessica Mitford (via Exodus)
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
19084 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 9:00 am to
The Louisiana prison system is shite.
Modern day slavery IYAM.
This post was edited on 9/24/15 at 9:01 am
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
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Posted on 9/24/15 at 9:06 am to
if prisons are so bad, then why do so many people insist on going back?
Posted by 19
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Posted on 9/24/15 at 9:12 am to
I wish I could find some research to clarify your question about effective rehabilitation, but I'm afraid its difficult to find studies with any validity - even harder to find research grants to test theories about corrections, cuz NOONE cares.

American justice system is a billion dollar industry, and to keep its wheels greased, it needs meat. The war on drugs/ legalization/ etc is all a dead argument. If it keeps meat flowing to the grinder, it won't be interrupted.

Sad state of affairs.

If you want to really blame uncle Ronnie for something...read Fast Food Nation. He "streamlined" slaughter houses by removing USDA inspectors from each one, increasing productivity...which led to contamination levels that have grown since to near 20%. You won't eat drive thru burgers ever again.
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
40407 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 9:56 am to
Good grief.


Look, the crime rate is down b/c we are locking repeat offenders up for longer terms. Like the overwhelming majority of Americans, I am 100% for this.

All this whining about rehabilitating rapists and violent offenders? I don't GAS and neither do most people that actually have a job and pay taxes.

Posted by lsufan1971
Zachary
Member since Nov 2003
24396 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 10:11 am to
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American prisons are an embarrassment


LOL. Being in prison in America is better than being on the street in most third world countries.

LINK

Watch this 3 minute video and see how bad it is in Mexican PRISONS.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
46010 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 10:11 am to
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The US has one of the highest rates of incarceration in the world with no sign of tapering off.


end the War on Drugs and it would taper off very sharply




,but that takes common sense and nobody has time for that
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 10:29 am to
Ive dealt with a lot of prisoners in Angola. the ones ive asked about their conviction all told me they were in there for drugs. A quick fact check on their record and although they had multiple drug offenses, the conviction that got them their long sentence was armed robbery / rape / homicide / etc. Bring this up and they will tell you " yea but I wouldn't have done all that if I wasn't on that shite"

Many will argue the legalization of drugs will reduce other crimes but the fact remains that a person decided to use an intoxicating substance and it impaired their judgment. Nobody's fault but their own.

Louisiana prisons such as Hunt, DCI, and Angola are nothing compared to the work release centers across the state. The last escape from the one near me was a guy that had been convicted of violent crimes. The people that run work release do not care about public safety, they only want inmates to make them more money.

Angola has a lot of programs for rehabilitation. An inmate with a 10-15 year sentence can learn a trade and do his last two years in a work release program applying that trade. Often times upon their release they are hired as full time employees with the company. Some may say this is a great thing until you look at how businesses are taking advantage of using inmate labor at a cheaper rate and turning down applicants with a clean criminal history that they would have to pay more.

I could go on and on about the prison system but the true fault lies where justice is dealt in the courts. its anything but "just"
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 9/24/15 at 10:33 am to
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No matter the reason they are locked up, they are a detriment to the human race. One bad apple...



Uhhh...
Posted by StarkRebel
Member since Sep 2014
2176 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 10:39 am to
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end the War on Drugs and it would taper off very sharply


Also stop the life sentences, if a person murders someone and it's cut and dry, fry their arse.
Posted by tigerfootball10
Member since Sep 2005
10293 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 10:39 am to
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FelicianaTigerfan


Finally someone who actually has experience on the subject makes a comment worth a damn. The rest of you don't honestly believe the State is locking people up for a dime sack of weed.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
50862 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 10:42 am to
American prisons provide steady jobs for white people and warehousing for black people. If you don't think that was the plan all along you are living in a dream world
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160203 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 10:43 am to
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Watch this 3 minute video and see how bad it is in Mexican PRISONS.



Are you really going to compare America to Mexico? We're supposed to be better.
Posted by Haughton99
Haughton
Member since Feb 2009
6128 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 10:45 am to
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All this whining about rehabilitating rapists and violent offenders? I don't GAS and neither do most people that actually have a job and pay taxes.


The vast majority in the prison system don't fall under the "rapists and violent offenders" tag. Most are fairly short timers and our society would be much better off if we did more to prepare them to be a productive part of society once they are out. Or we can keep doing what we are doing and hope for better results.
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
40407 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 10:46 am to
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State is locking people up for a dime sack of weed.


Exactly.

Every time we have this thread, people think that. They don't know dick, but they say it anyway.

Prisons are full b/c criminals commit crimes. That is their vocation. Now, there may be an isolated numbnuts or two in there for strictly a drug only offense, but judges don't want to send them there. Judges would rather save the space for multiple offenders, of which there are plenty.
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 10:49 am to
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The rest of you don't honestly believe the State is locking people up for a dime sack of weed.


Its way more beneficial to the state if a misdemeanor or even felony possession is plea bargained out. The prosecution gets a conviction in their stats, the suspect gets a lighter sentence, and everybody makes money. Court and arresting agency collect fines, probation officer collect fees, etc. Ive seen countless people brought into court for probation violations only to let go and given a return date to come back to court in 3 month. They cant pay if they are in jail.
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
40407 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 10:49 am to
I'll wait for a link to demonstrate that. I can provide plenty of links showing the drastic fall in crime rates.

If you feel better take out "violent" and put "multiple". The point still stands.
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