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re: The Allies began firebombing Dresden on this day 80 years ago...
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:23 am to OlGrandad
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:23 am to OlGrandad
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quote:From 7 September 1940, London was systematically bombed by the Luftwaffe for 56 of the following 57 days and nights.[7][8] Notable attacks included a large daylight attack against London on 15 September, a large raid on 29 December 1940 against London resulting in a firestorm known as the Second Great Fire of London,[9] and a large raid on the night of 10–11 May 1941.
Oh no , don’t you get it, it’s ok when the Nazis mass killed other Christians!
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Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:24 am to OGtigerfan87
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They wanted a more atheists/agnostic society where all devotion was to party/country.
It’s comical/sad that there are so many in America that don’t recognize that this has happened to them. Religion removed and replaced with a political party.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:26 am to OGtigerfan87
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Crazy that we have reached a point of where we have multiple full on open Nazi supporters in this thread.
Unless the post that was deleted was openly supporting NAZI’s, where are you seeing this?
The only posts I’ve seen condemning the firebombing of Dresden are stating that civilians should not be systematically and intentionally targeted. Things the NAZI’s did and should be (and are) condemned for
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:35 am to Solo Cam
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I don't understand how anyone can justify killing innocent children and women in fire.
With all due respect, the Nazis did not have a problem doing this.
Don't give it if you're not willing to get it.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:41 am to RollTide1987
It's frightening what we will rationalize after war has gone on long enough. Even Gen LeMay admitted that he would have probably been tried for war crimes for the fire bombing of Tokyo had the allies lost. It's also frightening the hell that a few lunatics who have power can inflict on millions of people who just want live a happy life.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:48 am to auggie
Ball bearing factories located in Dresden were the target.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:48 am to Teufelhunden
I worked with a nurse that was 5 years old in Germany,WW 2.She talked about how terrifying the bombing was.
She married a U.S. soldier,became a citizen and then a nurse.
She had no animosity toward the U.S. She made a comment “war is war”.
She married a U.S. soldier,became a citizen and then a nurse.
She had no animosity toward the U.S. She made a comment “war is war”.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:48 am to CHGAR
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With all due respect, the Nazis did not have a problem doing this.
Yeah and it was wrong then too
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:53 am to RollTide1987
The Japanese say hold my atomic bombs.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:57 am to REG861
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Are you going to take off work from your Wal Mart greeter job today in mourning?
Imagine shaming people for honest work. You are a sanctimonious dbag
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:59 am to Missouri Waltz
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One of the greatest, if not the greatest, war crimes in history.
Holy Hyperbole
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:01 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Things the NAZI’s did and should be (and are) condemned for
Then ask those posters to condemn those things too and see how that shakes out.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:02 am to LSUtoBOOT
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The Japanese say hold my atomic bombs.
Firebombing if Tokyo was worse
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:03 am to REG861
Germans bombed the shite out of Warsaw, bombed Rotterdam after it had been declared an open city
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:04 am to REG861
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Then ask those posters to condemn those things too and see how that shakes out.
Which ones? Because I’ve seen nobody in this thread even attempting defending the Nazis, or are you saying that by condemning our own actions we’re are tacitly supporting what the Nazis did? Are you saying that the firebombings of Dresden were acceptable because of the Nazis actions and tactics?
This post was edited on 2/13/25 at 10:04 am
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:04 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Unless the post that was deleted was openly supporting NAZI’s, where are you seeing this? The only posts I’ve seen condemning the firebombing of Dresden are stating that civilians should not be systematically and intentionally targeted. Things the NAZI’s did and should be (and are) condemned for
Some people lack capability of nuance and then claim this is evidence of their intellectual superiority
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:07 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Which ones? Because I’ve seen nobody in this thread even attempting defending the Nazis, or are you saying that by condemning our own actions we’re are tacitly supporting what the Nazis did? Are you saying that the firebombings of Dresden were acceptable because of the Nazis actions and tactics?
You’re either being dense or are not familiar with people like Lima who are abject nazi apologists and or supporters. Scotty doesn’t know? Was MLster too subtle for you on the first page? I mean it’s transparent where the sympathies lie
This post was edited on 2/13/25 at 10:08 am
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:13 am to REG861
I’m unaware of the post histories of Lima and Scotty which is why it’s not transparent to me where their allegiances lie.
When I was younger (teens and 20’s) America could do no wrong, the fire bombings and atomic bombs were justified, we never did anything wrong.
The more I’ve read, listened, and learned about WWII the more I question the need for city-wide, systematic, incendiary bombing of population centers.
I understand they weren’t using JDAM’s in WWII and a poster earlier talked about 1,200 foot radius if accuracy so I get that civilian casualties will happen. If you were to tell me that the neighborhoods surrounding the industrial districts were destroyed along with the industrial districts, that’s part of war. But to firebomb city centers that are not parts of the industrial sector to “break the national will” is really damn close to hijacking planes and flying them into banking buildings to scare a populace and almost always results in patriotic resolve and a hardened will.
When I was younger (teens and 20’s) America could do no wrong, the fire bombings and atomic bombs were justified, we never did anything wrong.
The more I’ve read, listened, and learned about WWII the more I question the need for city-wide, systematic, incendiary bombing of population centers.
I understand they weren’t using JDAM’s in WWII and a poster earlier talked about 1,200 foot radius if accuracy so I get that civilian casualties will happen. If you were to tell me that the neighborhoods surrounding the industrial districts were destroyed along with the industrial districts, that’s part of war. But to firebomb city centers that are not parts of the industrial sector to “break the national will” is really damn close to hijacking planes and flying them into banking buildings to scare a populace and almost always results in patriotic resolve and a hardened will.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:13 am to Cosmo
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FAFO
Dresden was ground zero for German resistance to Hitler. It was the last bastion of Communists and Socialists in Germany. If you were going to terror-bomb a place, it made the least sense to do so in the city most opposed to Hitler.
And yeah, both the Dresden and Tokyo firebombings were war crimes. Curtis Lemay intentionally targeted civilians as a measure to break Wehrmacht morale. There’s a pretty good book called The Bomber Mafia by Malcolm Gladwell that goes into the shift in doctrine during the war. Haywood Hansell did his best to use precision bombing to minimize civilian casualties. But the technology just wasn’t there. So he was fired and replaced by Lemay, who decided on the British approach of hitting civilians, only Lemay cranked it to 11 by using napalm en masse at low level on neighborhoods. He killed over a million in Tokyo. Dresden was his dress rehearsal (the morale thing backfired though, as the fires angered Germans and made them dig in).
Theres also a fascinating chapter on how napalm was accidentally discovered (it started as wallpaper glue. Then the wallpaper started to spontaneously combust. They sent samples to Harvard to figure it out).
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:24 am to Oilfieldbiology
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The more I’ve read, listened, and learned about WWII the more I question the need for city-wide, systematic, incendiary bombing of population centers.
That’s fine if that’s where you’re coming from, and I agree that we too committed war crimes , but i am less inclined to be outraged given the disproportionate blame Germany and Japan share for starting the war out of atavistic delusion.
If you want a litmus test about who sympathizes where, those crying about our alleged genocide of German Christian’s is a good place to start. The Nazis persecuted and repudiated Christianity. They were a bunch of pagan weirdos who repudiated every tenet of post enlightenment western civilization(which I understand a good bit of these loons agree with ).
Alternatively, just ask them to condemn the attacks on England via The air. Or , you know, the holocaust.
This post was edited on 2/13/25 at 10:29 am
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