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Posted on 2/13/25 at 7:58 am to FightinTigersDammit
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Elections have consequences.
Sad thing is that Hitler was never elected. I think the most votes he received was 40%
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:01 am to tide06
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I am against total war.
It's just war, dude. Just because the Mongols didn't have firebombs didn't mean that a few million innocents didn't get killed by them alone, in gruesome fashion. Repeat going back to the dawn of recorded history.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:03 am to notiger1997
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Dumbass
Do you have an argument against anything I said?
If you're gonna hurl insults you should include lazy and fatass. If you take issue with what i said then tell me where I lied
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:04 am to RollTide1987
Sad how we went from making nazis orange back then to electing orange nazis today
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:12 am to LemmyLives
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It's just war, dude.
Not all war is the same.
The US didn’t burn out entire villages in Iraq and slaughter civilians on sight.
We dont purge regions or use systematic rape to punish our opponents like the Soviets did.
The British haven’t either in the modern era.
And yes, the Mongols used total war, you are 100% correct.
Bad things happen in every war, on that we agree, but setting out to do bad things to innocents intentionally and systematically is different than incidental harm.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:21 am to el Gaucho
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Sad how we went from making nazis orange back then to electing orange nazis today
Not your best work, but I'm sure you'll still snag a few with it.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:26 am to OGtigerfan87
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Crazy that we have reached a point of where we have multiple full on open Nazi supporters in this thread. You could see it coming the last couple of years on here with the way a lot of simple people are stuck in binary thinking. Communist/socialist are bad so Nazis have to have been good is the epitome of low level thinking. The reality that 2 things can be true at the same time is beyond some of these folks. Also for the record Germany really wasn't a Christian country at this time. The Nazi party was slowly trying to de-Christianize Germany as most of its leaders saw the church as a threat to devotion to the party. They wanted a more atheists/agnostic society where all devotion was to party/country. Hitler and the leaders saw the struggles against the church as very important to their end goals and would have eradicated the church or forced it into the shadows had they won the war. They had already began the process but ran out of time. This has been written about and documented.
cool
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:30 am to tide06
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Bad things happen in every war, on that we agree, but setting out to do bad things to innocents intentionally and systematically is different than incidental harm.
The Norden bomb sight and the bombs of the day, as well as the recon didn't result in precision bombing, no matter the target. We killed 6k civilians and left 50k without homes in Bucharest trying to bomb petroleum refineries. And who do you think was working in these factories? Old men, women, and sometimes children.
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Under combat conditions the Norden did not achieve its expected precision, yielding an average CEP in 1943 of 1,200 feet (370 m), similar to other Allied and German results. Both the Navy and Air Forces had to give up using pinpoint attacks
1,200 feet is a long way when there are schools, hospitals, and houses around rail yards, etc. There isn't really a distinction between "targeting" civilians, and the wind being misjudged with that kind of error rate. We firebombed the shite out of Tokyo, too. We tried inventing bats that would carry incendiary devices to roost in the eaves of wooden Japanese structures, including houses.
I would argue that the charges of WWI, even though mostly killing uniformed "combatants" were even more morally reprehensible. Operation Barbarossa was a cataclysmic, unnecessary loss of life on both sides. I'll bet a dollar this turns into a discussion about Nagasaki and Hiroshima in 3... 2... 1...
But in the end, the objective is to get the enemy to surrender. You're free to give up whenever you want.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:33 am to scottydoesntknow
Lol so you repeat some idiocy you read on a message board or hear on some podcast for mouth breathers then when you get a response that refutes your nonsense you go with a one word response passive response. Honestly smart to save yourself the embarrassment of trying to debate a topic you clearly no little about. More people should follow your lead.
This post was edited on 2/13/25 at 8:34 am
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:56 am to MLSter
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Fire Bomb a majority Christian city full of citizens on ASH Wednesday. We are the bad guys
Average Tucker viewer right here
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:58 am to LSUBFA83
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All's fair in war. You either go in balls to the wall or you don't go in.
There was no justification for it
Just an act of evil
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:58 am to RollTide1987
One of the greatest, if not the greatest, war crimes in history.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:00 am to Lima Whiskey
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There was no justification for it Just an act of evil
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Lima Whiskey
Bet you anything Lima can’t bring himself to say that about a single thing nazi Germany did.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:03 am to OGtigerfan87
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Lol so you repeat some idiocy you read on a message board or hear on some podcast for mouth breathers then when you get a response that refutes your nonsense you go with a one word response passive response. Honestly smart to save yourself the embarrassment of trying to debate a topic you clearly no little about. More people should follow your lead.
Your virtue signaling is far more important to you than actual truth seeking. Im not trying to change your mind so piss off
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:04 am to scottydoesntknow
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scottydoesntknow
Are you going to take off work from your Wal Mart greeter job today in mourning?
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:16 am to REG861
Payback:
quote:Link to the blitz
From 7 September 1940, London was systematically bombed by the Luftwaffe for 56 of the following 57 days and nights.[7][8] Notable attacks included a large daylight attack against London on 15 September, a large raid on 29 December 1940 against London resulting in a firestorm known as the Second Great Fire of London,[9] and a large raid on the night of 10–11 May 1941.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:20 am to RollTide1987
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To this day there is an ongoing debate about whether or not the bombings were justified and if they should constitute a war crime.
We won, so it won’t. However had the Allies lost the war, Bomber Harris would be tried as a war criminal. Indiscriminately bombing civilian centers should be a war crime. This is the equivalent of firebombing the area around the Houston Galleria and claiming that you’re trying to stop refining and petrochemical processing in Houston
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:21 am to Stexas
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Sure, but it was a tool they had to break the will and resolve.
But did it?
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:23 am to tide06
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The only reason that I’d argue it wasn’t a war crime was that the Nazis had already opened a total war campaign against the British by targeting civilian centers like London by V1 and V2 attack. I am against total war. But if a nation declares total war on you, it’s within your rights to do so in return as your very existence depends on preventing that enemy from defeating you. That said id argue there were far better uses of the bomber command and all the post op analysis backs that up, but once someone bombs your urban centers they can’t complain when the same is done to theirs.
Very good post
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