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re: The Advocate finally asks the question: Too many universities in La?

Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:44 pm to
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:44 pm to
quote:

When you look at the demographics of the state and the quickly deteriorating economic conditions of Baton Rouge, closing LSU makes far and away the most sense. It's the biggest expenditure on the higher ed budget. Shut down one campus and save the rest of the system. Simple as that.



Did this guy really just suggest closing LSU? The way it fuels the state's economy is enough to defend it. No politician who wants to continue to work in the state of Louisiana would even think about this anyways.
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160200 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:45 pm to
He was trolling, baw
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
130233 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:46 pm to
quote:

Also, good luck getting a politician to say publicly that he wants to shut down a "historically black" University


They would be shutting them down because they were "historically black"

They'd be shutting them down due to them "currently failing"
And having "presently abysmal graduation rates".
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160200 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:47 pm to
Even Barry O made a comment about being concerned about the grad. rates of HBCUs when that hyper Southern student asked him a question about HBCUs.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
175704 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:48 pm to
The 5 Parish area of SWLA consisting of Allen, Beauregard, Calcasieu, Cameron, Jefferson Davis.

Yes, I know some from Jefferson Davis go to ULL also so it could be a toss up to include it. You also have several from Vernon Parish that go to McNeese because it's closer for the ones in the Southern part of the Parish vs going to Alexandria or Northwestern.

That's servicing around 300K+ people.

Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
42816 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:49 pm to
quote:

People are delusional if you think that many schools get the axe. it will never happen. I have doubts that even with deep budget cuts that any school will be cut. LSU-A, Grambling and especially SUNO should be the first logical cut.



It could be done. It would take awhile and alot of political will. We are not talking about a stroke of a pen and bam 6 schools gone. It would be a slow consolidation and phase out. Georgia has merged, eliminated redundancy and have gone from 35 state higher education institutions to 30.

quote:

Since 2011, Georgia has completed four other consolidations, impacting nine other campuses and cutting the number of institutions in the state system from 35 to 30.


LINK
Posted by urinetrouble
Member since Oct 2007
20584 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:50 pm to
Realistically, I think we're too far gone to completely eliminate a significant number of campuses, aside from SUNO, which JBE already said he wasn't going to pursue. The more politically viable thing is to greatly cut and merge programs to try and save costs.
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
36246 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:51 pm to
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He was trolling, baw



ugh, I hate trolls these days. Just want to have actual conversations on these topics.



HBCU's won't get touched due to obvious reasons.
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160200 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:53 pm to
quote:

Realistically, I think we're too far gone to completely eliminate a significant number of campuses, aside from SUNO, which JBE already said he wasn't going to pursue.



Would be suicide for that guy but SUNO is an embarrassment for this state. It's a complete sham that SUNO takes any money from this state. Has their graduation rate gotten above 5% yet?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:55 pm to
SUNO isn't there to graduate students, baw

that was the argument last time
Posted by WILDTURKEYisgood
Madisonville
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:56 pm to
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Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:57 pm to
JBE has no other step to go. He is only the gov because bobby managed to be disaster and the republicans ran hooker dave.

I think any deal to consolidate universities would get snagged because no school will voluntarily go first when the worst school and second worst get to stay open.

the only way someone might consider it would be getting sucked into the LSU system.

Its going to be more of the same in la as far as higher education. The best option is fixing the state constitution.

FWIW I think JBE is either recalled or a one term gov. If he gets his tax raises like he wants then i see a recall in his future. He should have come in talking about trying to fix the state constitution.
This post was edited on 1/24/16 at 1:00 pm
Posted by WILDTURKEYisgood
Madisonville
Member since Aug 2010
3320 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:58 pm to
quote:

ULM nursing isn't even close to Tech


Very wrong... Tech only has a 2 year program. I have seen a few articles in the past few years naming ULM one of the top 10 nursing programs in the country
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22282 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:58 pm to
quote:

Lafayette is only 45 min from LSU


somebody hasn't made the drive across that bridge lately. LSU is 45 min from the Lobdel exit most of the time.
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160200 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 12:59 pm to
In an idealistic word, a version of that is correct but in a state like Louisiana when we're paying for TOPS, you're damn right it's the university's job to try to graduate those assholes.
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 1:15 pm to
I would have guessed lake Charles and Monroe to be about the same size without looking
Posted by Horsemeat
Truckin' somewhere in the US
Member since Dec 2014
14468 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 1:18 pm to
quote:

Did this guy really just suggest closing LSU? The way it fuels the state's economy is enough to defend it. No politician who wants to continue to work in the state of Louisiana would even think about this anyways.


It's a solid suggestion - the State could use the land for office space near the capital for our expanding government. Most of the students don't live in Baton Rouge, so they can just commute to the smaller schools closer to home. State starts earning money from the rent on the offices and the state and local economies are benefited by the increase of students at other universities, also reducing our carbon footprint on climate change.
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 1/24/16 at 1:45 pm to
I'd vote for that as a starter course, with adjustments being made as needed after 3-5 years
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43031 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 2:08 pm to
IIRC, the budget for SUNO is only like $5MM/yr. The campus, faculty, and students provide nothing to UNO. In fact, it would end up detracting from UNO. It would be nice just to sell the property as a whole
Posted by TechBullDawg
Member since May 2014
1551 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 2:09 pm to
Keep:
LaTech
Northwestern
McNeese
LSU
SLU


Close:
Grambling
ULM
LSU-E
LSU-A
Nicholls
SU
SUNO

Shreveport would still have Centenary and could pick up some of the locals not willing to drive to Ruston. Same goes for LA College by closing LSU-A.

There are enough private schools as it is.

HBCU? Times have changed folks, and you're either for integration or segregation so which is it? Your retention rates suck, and being a day-care for people wanting to say they went to college, buh-bye. If you can't make it at a regular 4-year school, you won't make it in the real world either.

Summary: not everyone can be an astronaut, and not everyone needs to go to college. Vo-tec and 2-year schools can educate half the people in most 4-year schools. If you're not willing to sacrifice for an education by having to drive more than an hour to get to class, maybe you don't want to sacrifice enough.
This post was edited on 1/24/16 at 2:41 pm
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