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re: Texas to hit all-electric vehicle owners with high fees
Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:11 am to cas4t
Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:11 am to cas4t
quote:
Yay another tax.
Why should someone be penalized for not using fuel?
I say this as a proud owner of a gas guzzling Chevy Silverado.
It's for road infrastructure...which is funded by excise taxes on gasoline. EVs use the roads and put wear and tear on them and their owners should contribute to the funding of the roads. This is common sense and should absolutely be taxed.
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Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:13 am to Street Hawk
It really exposes what a fricked up tangled mess it all is.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:15 am to Havoc
quote:
It really exposes what a fricked up tangled mess it all is.
Forcing economic changes always results in shortages and higher prices.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:15 am to cas4t
quote:
Yay another tax.
Why should someone be penalized for not using fuel?
still driving on the roads that the gas tax supports.......
Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:21 am to Geauxgurt
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It’s is not a $200 fee in top of normal fees. I believe it is adjusting their registration fees to add in the road use Tax. Take $80 from that fee since everyone else still pays that re-register their car annually in Texas and it’s basically $120 fee. If you assume an average MPG of 30 which is absurd by the way, it’s like 18,000 miles. A more reasonable average (still likely high) of 25 mpg gives you 15,000 which is reasonable for most Texas drivers.
Are you sure about that? The original proposal had this as an additional tax on top of the registration fee.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:25 am to billjamin
quote:The idea of it is fair, no doubt
They have to capture some road use tax. It makes sense.
But the amount being charged is way too high for it to be considered a fair and reasonable tax.
What % of non-EV cars are paying that same amount? It has to be a tiny number.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:27 am to RedFoxx
quote:I love all the posters replying that this is so great and even that it should be 4x higher, not realizing how anti-American they are.
I’m so glad this nation was founded to fight against and protect us from unfair taxes.
Those same exact posters will go to other threads and talk about how they hate big government.
This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 8:35 am
Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:28 am to brgfather129
quote:Yea, I have an EV. And from what I understand, the money used from those taxes is used to upgrade the infrastructure so if that's the case, it's definitely not fair that I get it for free while others have to pay.
They should try to recover some of those losses.
quote:But, this here. It's also not remotely fair for the EV drivers to now pay more than virtually every non-EV drivers.
That being said, your typical driver isn't paying $200/year in gasoline taxes either.
This is quite literally just a tax on EV drivers because Texas doesn't like EV drivers.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:31 am to Korkstand
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If a 5k lb car did significantly more damage than a 4k lb car, a single 20k lb semi would destroy the road.
Since when do semi's have only 4 tires and 2 axles? Ground pressure negates this argument. (Also some weight a lot more than 20k)
quote:
They will last longer as we drip less and less motor oil on them
What do you think asphalt is made of?
I agree that the weight issue is likely a moot point at the the end of the day. But there is a reason larger and heavier vehicles have more tires and and axles.
EVs should be subject to same road use tax as ICE. I dont think the politicians are smart enough to get the implementation correct though.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:33 am to Korkstand
hummer weighs +9k
what do they weigh?
and they use low rolling resistance tires
tires explained
"So, if underinflated tires have high rolling resistance, then why not simply overinflate them to reduce their rolling resistance? That works, but there's a price to pay. For one thing, ride quality suffers, becoming increasingly harsh as tire pressures rise. More importantly, the higher the pressure, the smaller the "footprint," which is the contact patch between your tires and the road surface. A smaller contact patch can mean less traction, which translates to decreased braking and cornering performance, especially on wet surfaces."
added weight + reduced tire footprint + harder compound to prevent flattening at the bottom = more force/area on the road. Calculations are tough because the tire makers do not give "footprint data" but there is no doubt, from a purely physics point that EV's put more force on the road than any other vehicles. Trucks, especially bigger ones place less force per area than cars normally.
So your arguement that it's a myth is incorrect. Do some math dude
what do they weigh?
and they use low rolling resistance tires
tires explained
"So, if underinflated tires have high rolling resistance, then why not simply overinflate them to reduce their rolling resistance? That works, but there's a price to pay. For one thing, ride quality suffers, becoming increasingly harsh as tire pressures rise. More importantly, the higher the pressure, the smaller the "footprint," which is the contact patch between your tires and the road surface. A smaller contact patch can mean less traction, which translates to decreased braking and cornering performance, especially on wet surfaces."
added weight + reduced tire footprint + harder compound to prevent flattening at the bottom = more force/area on the road. Calculations are tough because the tire makers do not give "footprint data" but there is no doubt, from a purely physics point that EV's put more force on the road than any other vehicles. Trucks, especially bigger ones place less force per area than cars normally.
So your arguement that it's a myth is incorrect. Do some math dude
Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:34 am to hikingfan
quote:
Texas gas tax = $.20 per gallon. To reach $200 would require the purchase of 1,000 of gas, for a 30 mpg car that means 30,000 miles per year to reach the equivalent EV tax. Doesn't seem exactly fair.
True, but they are not paying the federal gas tax either which is approximately the same as the state tax.
It’s a wash comparatively with what owners of gas powered cars are paying.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:34 am to shel311
quote:
The idea of it is fair, no doubt
But the amount being charged is way too high for it to be considered a fair and reasonable tax.
What % of non-EV cars are paying that same amount? It has to be a tiny number.
The gas tax in TX is 20 cents per gallon. According to the TX dot the average consumer pays 9.52 in fuel taxes a month which equates to 114.24 a yr
They pay more but EVs are also slightly heavier than their ICE counterparts
The additional funds could be used to help build out charging networks in theory which would help benefit only EV users so I don't think it's worth complaining about
Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:39 am to TxWadingFool
quote:Can you explain in detail why you think EV owners should pay double for something they're already paying for?
EVs not only use the roads they also use the electrical grid. Remind me of the last time Texas was out of gasoline, they are getting off easy at $200 per year.
Or...you just didn't realize it was already being paid for?
Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:40 am to Powerman
quote:
The gas tax in TX is 20 cents per gallon. According to the TX dot the average consumer pays 9.52 in fuel taxes a month which equates to 114.24 a yr
They pay more but EVs are also slightly heavier than their ICE counterparts
Also, some of the gas tax burden is carried by non-residents passing through and refueling in the state.
With EVs, you lose that ability to tax the non-residents, and Texans will have to pick up the slack.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:41 am to TrueTiger
quote:Just randomly making something up that isn't even the case, then calling someone else gullible is peak OT right here.
Did EV fans really think they were going to get a free ride?
Gullible mo-fos they are.
Poor boy didn't realize he was the gullible one, you hate to see it.
quote:Says the person calling others gullible and not realizing he's the gullible one in this discussion.
'Fair' is a word invented so that idiots and children have a way to make an argument.
This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 9:00 am
Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:43 am to cas4t
quote:
Yay another tax.
Why should someone be penalized for not using fuel?
I say this as a proud owner of a gas guzzling Chevy Silverado.
Why shouldn't they be exempt from road taxes? They're driving on them.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:45 am to Street Hawk
Every state is going to do something like this or they'll put in a miles driven tax.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:45 am to Street Hawk
Taxman cometh
Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:47 am to SoFla Tideroller
quote:
E-vehicles use the roadways that require resurfacing, restriping, signage, etc. just like regular vehicles. Those vehicles are taxed via gasoline/diesel.
Fair enough!
Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:52 am to Geauxgurt
quote:This is the problem with anti-EV folks, they make shite up that isn't so.
This is the problem with EV users. They act like their cars use nothing when they use in some cases more.
There have been multiple EV owners in this thread stating they're happy to pay this tax, but yet the anti-EV crowd is still running with the narrative that "EV owners" just don't want to pay anything.
This is what this is all about, posters in this thread have admitted they want EV owners to pay as much as 4x more than the $200 in the most extreme example for no other reason than they just don't like EVs.
The vast majority of EV owners are happy to pay, as long as it's paying a fair share.
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