re: Texas may become first state to mandate Bible readings in public schools

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Care to elaborate how an objective morality can exist without a supreme judge of that morality?

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There is no objective morality, first of all.

Secondly, each society is caged by a morality of their own making. What happens when an individual breeches the cage? Imprisonment? Ostracism? Efforts from friends and family trying to pull them back into the cage? Is a deity necessary to maintain the cage walls or are societies equipped to enforce the boundaries?

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Most of the migrants come from staunchly Muslim countries w

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to the United States? That’s not even close to true. To Europe possibly but that is a function of geography and political strife not religion. You seem to be trying to make some kind of point that non Christian immigration to predominantly Christian societies is because Christianity is the only true religion?

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I was late to this thread but same. I have friend who I've debated with a lot about the country being founded on deism vs Christianity. The only argument is because they don't want to accept that it was founded on Christianity.

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The truth is that I'm very open to a nuanced discussion on the founding, but on here you're arguing with people just repeating tropes which is why nobody is engaged past where we left it.

IMO it shows just how effective the most mundane indoctrination can be, and I mean that in the least sensationalized way possible. Seemingly small things - GW Carver gave us peanut butter! We're more of a deist country than a Christian one! Etc. get worked into weird national hagiography and are really hard to dispel. I think conservatives of my era are especially prone to grab onto any sort of half-truth that simultaneously gives some support for their worldview while not stepping on toes too much (like the deism myth).

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Now, you could argue that the founders, despite that context, intended to leave room for religious pluralism and secularism going forward. I don't think that argument has much heft considering the setting, but it has some straight faced textualist support.

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They forbade any religious test to hold public office. Along with the establishment and free exercise clause. There are flashing red lights of their clear intent on this topic

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Article VI, Clause 3: Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

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I’m asking you to answer why it is that people that come from countries where there is zero tolerance of Christianity are migrating by the millions every month to predominantly Christian nations.

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Are they converting to Christianity or do they just prefer a more comfortable lifestyle?

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None of the bullshite you just spewed would say it's morally reprehensible to sexually assault someone (which I hope you'd admit it is).

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the fact that humans exist in present day is enough to show that clearly we have some sort of moral direction without theology... if not we would have killed ourselves off a long, long time ago...

and you can get into the weeds about other things we know to be moral and immoral as a society, but the truth is, that at some point, way before any religion, our species had to weigh the benefit of killing everything, or treating other humans at the time with some sort of morality... it an inescapable truth...

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i have no problem with others that are different than me having a seat at the table... this whole "replacement" bullshite is a scare tactic you've bought into...

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You’re being purposefully ignorant here.

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Christian white males in America still reign supreme, and realistically, that's not even remotely about to change... this entire "we're being replaced" is so fricking tin foil hat garbage, i'm surprised it even got a footing to begin with...

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I wish I was this dumb sometimes. Would make life a lot easier.

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i feel sorry for people like you, who really believe this shite... i really do... i pray one day you wake up from this fog and realize how mislead you were...

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And I pray that you don’t have children. To know that you’d rather stick your head in the sand rather than acknowledging the patterns and trends that make you uncomfortable says all I need to know about you. The phrase weak men create hard times applies perfectly to you.

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There is no objective morality, first of all.

Secondly, each society is caged by a morality of their own making. What happens when an individual breeches the cage? Imprisonment? Ostracism? Efforts from friends and family trying to pull them back into the cage? Is a deity necessary to maintain the cage walls or are societies equipped to enforce the boundaries?

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I dont necessarily disagree with anything you are saying....my point was simply on the concept of a objective morality which I do think requires a supreme judge....sorry OP for the de-rail.

You’re making 2 arguments. I agree that people have acted morally outside of following a religion. That doesn’t mean there isn’t a source of objective morality. You made the claim God isn’t the source. You’d have to come up with a better answer. Evolution doesn’t explain why we know things are bad that go against what we are evolutionarily wired to do.

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No, there is only one true religion. There is a reason most migrants around the world choose to migrate to predominantly Christian nations.

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It’s quite clear you do not have the slightest idea of what a logical fallacy is