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re: Texas may become first state to mandate Bible readings in public schools
Posted on 1/23/26 at 3:22 pm to jnethe1
Posted on 1/23/26 at 3:22 pm to jnethe1
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Sounds like you’re Christian.
i most certainly am not...
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cknowledgement of blatantly obvious policies is not something I need pity for
that's not what i pity...
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There is nothing I despise more than self labeled intellectuals who seek to demean anyone that is openly Christian.
where did i label myself an "intellectual", and where did i demean anyone? please, show me... again, sorry you feel so persecuted that even a simple discussion on the topic triggers you... i truly feel for you, it has to be exhausting to feel that way...
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What I said applies, you perfectly represent the phrase weak men create hard times.
no, i get it... you are the type to want to insult others while safely behind your computer screen... the internet tough guy.. it's cool.. y'all are a dime a dozen, especially on the PoliBoard....
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Posted on 1/23/26 at 3:25 pm to jnethe1
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Our charitable nature that comes from our Christian background.
Correct. Charity meant to be voluntary, local, and moral…not institutionalized, nationalized, and politically weaponized.
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These fools will sit here and tell you that Dei is good and that we should be more open minded of others while at the same time the very people they defend would behead them in front of their families if given the chance.
Correct.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 3:28 pm to Pettifogger
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The EC was 100% derived to settle disputes among Christians, I genuinely don't think intellectually honest people can dispute it. Personally, and I don't think this is some fringe position, I think the use of "religion" instead of Christianity or Protestantism was to downplay the potential for more disputes among those Christian sects who may or may not agree that all of those denominations were Christian/Protestant, etc. But I'm open to other ideas - that the founders wanted an elastic EC that could conceivably encompass no religion, other religions, etc. But it's just not realistic (and there isn't much historical support) for any idea that the adopters had Islam or ardent secularism in mind. I call it sort of a luxury of aspiration - ie, it's easy to be broad in language when your entire worldview is Christianity and you really can't fathom life where it's not the universal, default position.
I agree that the founders likely exclusively contemplated forms of Christianity in their discussion of "religion." My main issue is determining that context, when that is context is centuries old and relatively unrecorded. We can attempt to surmise what they thought or meant but the truth is we don't really know, and have no definitive way of knowing what that intent was. Hence I tend to align more with a textualist interpretation.
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But, the EC says "religion." And even if the founders never conceived of it really being applied outside of the faith, "it is what it is." So how it operates today and should be interpreted given that we're no longer a homogenous group of at minimum, cultural Christians, is a different social/cultural/legal discussion entirely.
Agreed. I don't think the founders could have ever imagined where we are today, which is my other main issue with contextualism.
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I tend to believe the country's Christian founding can and should be visible throughout all elements of American culture - including government/schools - without violating the EC. But that's a much more entailed discussion. That would probably extend to Bible study in Texas, but I can't say I'm particularly invested in the outcome of this.
I disagree, but understand your reasoning.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 3:33 pm to Pettifogger
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You'll need to be specific about what you mean by clear intent. Because the clear intent of the prohibition on religious tests was to avoid/reconcile disputes among the states and the Christian denominations that dominated specific states at the time.
Notable that those states continued to employ their own religious tests for public office after the adoption of Article VI.
While not directly relying upon Art VI section III, that's not how this issue has been interpreted by the SCOTUS in:
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Torcaso v. Watkins, 367 U.S. 488 (1961), was a landmark U.S. Supreme Court case holding that state governments cannot require a religious test for public office, as it violates the First Amendment’s freedom of belief and religion, applied to states via the Fourteenth Amendment. The case arose when Maryland denied Roy Torcaso, an atheist, a notary public commission for refusing to declare a belief in God.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 3:34 pm to thejuiceisloose
No, you’re a moron. I refuse to debate someone like yourself.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 3:38 pm to jnethe1
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To know that you’d rather stick your head in the sand rather than acknowledging the patterns and trends that make you uncomfortable says all I need to know about you.
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by jnethe1
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No, you’re a moron. I refuse to debate someone like yourself
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by jnethe1
Posted on 1/23/26 at 3:38 pm to jnethe1
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No, you’re a moron. I refuse to debate someone like yourself.
Your superiority complex is noted
Posted on 1/23/26 at 3:40 pm to chRxis
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most certainly am not..
Yet teaching them Christian lessons. Weird.
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where did i label myself an "intellectual", and where did i demean anyone? please, show me... again, sorry you feel so persecuted that even a simple discussion on the topic triggers you... i truly feel for you, it has to be exhausting to feel that way...
Care to explain what you’d call the British government hiding Muslim rape gangs, then punishing anyone who dared to talk about it. Let’s also acknowledge that the victims were young white girls.
What about colleges refusing to give white men opportunities?
How about companies also refusing to give white men opportunities?
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no, i get it... you are the type to want to insult others while safely behind your computer screen... the internet tough guy.. it's cool.. y'all are a dime a dozen, especially on the PoliBoard.
I can assure you in person I’d be very different. Not in the manner you think.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 3:42 pm to McMahonnequin
There are people who have differing opinions, but there is an opportunity to debate ideas. Then there are morons like the other guy that are legitimately too stupid to waste time on.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 3:43 pm to chRxis
Would you like to answer why these migrants from all over the world migrate to predominantly Christian countries?
Posted on 1/23/26 at 3:47 pm to HouseMom
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How can you even discuss morality without at least acknowledging religion's place.
I think it’s possible. Students need values. Lots of kids grew up knowing right from wrong without constantly hearing about the Bible, but it takes good parenting. I also think that same level of parenting goes along with teaching lessons from the Bible.
It’s not a teacher’s job to parent. Some lessons need to be taught and reinforced outside of school.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 3:51 pm to thejuiceisloose
Neither Everson nor Torcaso really weighs in on what I'm talking about. I think both read in context affirm that Article VI was to resolve disputes among Christians.
Equal protection, the 14th and Everson change the discussion quite a bit from where we started.
Equal protection, the 14th and Everson change the discussion quite a bit from where we started.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 3:58 pm to jnethe1
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Care to explain what you’d call the British government hiding Muslim rape gangs, then punishing anyone who dared to talk about it. Let’s also acknowledge that the victims were young white girls.
What about colleges refusing to give white men opportunities?
How about companies also refusing to give white men opportunities?
Get off the internet and interact with the world around you. You're obviously ate up with this shite.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 4:45 pm to jnethe1
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and it will help to prevent further degeneracy of Texas.
You think this will push kids towards Christianity? This will just push more people away because they will be forced
Also Christians can’t even agree amongst each other with regards to translation, interpretation, or what all should be included in the Bible. And you expect the government and school teachers to do a good job of it?
Posted on 1/23/26 at 4:53 pm to jnethe1
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Yet teaching them Christian lessons
to value other humans like they'd want to be treated? didn't realize Christianity had the monopoly on that... my mother in law's Buddhist texts are pretty "golden rule" oriented as well... guess I should tell her she's a Christian b/c how dare ANY other construct, totally independent of Christianity, be morally good...
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What about colleges refusing to give white men opportunities?
i went to a HBCU and i'm paper fricking white... guess DEI worked for me, so maybe I'm biased... again, i'm so sorry you feel so marginalized and persecuted as a white, Christian male in the United States of America...
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I can assure you in person I’d be very different. Not in the manner you think.
same brother... same...
Posted on 1/23/26 at 4:54 pm to McMahonnequin
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You're obviously ate up with this shite.
completely, unequivocally... 1000%
Posted on 1/23/26 at 4:55 pm to TexasTiger08
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think it’s possible. Students need values. Lots of kids grew up knowing right from wrong without constantly hearing about the Bible, but it takes good parenting. I also think that same level of parenting goes along with teaching lessons from the Bible.
It’s not a teacher’s job to parent. Some lessons need to be taught and reinforced outside of school.
exactly....
Posted on 1/23/26 at 4:59 pm to Odysseus32
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If you're okay with mandating the reading of the Quran. Maybe you are okay with that, but I'd be willing to bet a lot of hypocrites on this board are A-ok with the bible but would scream that their country is being co-opted if they were forced to read any other "historical text" of the same nature.
That’s right. frick the Quran.
Posted on 1/23/26 at 5:04 pm to G2160
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frick the Quran.
the Quran says a lot of good things about Jesus... he's very highly revered in Islam...
Posted on 1/23/26 at 5:04 pm to Shexter
Why would anybody want to outsource the teaching of biblical wisdom to some blue haired lesbian atheist?
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