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re: Texas Hold'em Question: How Do You Adjust When Playing With Chasers?
Posted on 8/9/19 at 1:46 pm to OweO
Posted on 8/9/19 at 1:46 pm to OweO
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If you are at a table, playing a cash game and there is a habitual chaser on the table, do you adjust your game? Do you start to play more conservative than normal?
Unless you're playing with seasoned pros, just follow Sklansky's method and play tight. I highly recommend his book "The Theory of Poker." It was originally written for Limit, but he's got a No-limit version now: LINK
Sklansky pretty much taught a generation of people how to play. He was the first to really analyze poker mathematically.
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Posted on 8/9/19 at 1:47 pm to OweO
You should be playing conservative to begin with.
If you can read the table well and put people on certain likelihood’s of hands ... and you’re seeing enough hands through out the night ... you will come out on top mathematically.
People think the whole point of poker is to bluff people. It’s not. It’s about making enough correct decisions.
It’s literally just math.
If you can read the table well and put people on certain likelihood’s of hands ... and you’re seeing enough hands through out the night ... you will come out on top mathematically.
People think the whole point of poker is to bluff people. It’s not. It’s about making enough correct decisions.
It’s literally just math.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 1:48 pm to navy
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You gotta know: 1) when to hold'em 2) when to fold'em 3) when to walk away 4) when to run
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Also, never count your money at the table.
You never even asked for a taste of my whiskey for that advice.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 1:48 pm to Manzielathon
This guy gets it
Posted on 8/9/19 at 1:51 pm to AUstar
Eh, that's a very boring and dry read
If you really want to get good at live games, join Crushlivepoker.com and start studying. Bart is the hands down best when it comes to live poker.
Honorable mention to Ed Miller. Speaking a which, if you really want a book to read, "The Course" is like live poker 101.
If you really want to get good at live games, join Crushlivepoker.com and start studying. Bart is the hands down best when it comes to live poker.
Honorable mention to Ed Miller. Speaking a which, if you really want a book to read, "The Course" is like live poker 101.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 1:58 pm to OweO
I would additionally tell you as I reread your question. You should always change your game and approach. Not your theory or math, but approach. Early in a game, I am reserved, watch patterns, behavior, look at showdowns so I can re create the hand pre flop. Ok Mr. Holdem in seat 2 raised 4x the big blind with J10 suited....Ok....what was his position in the hand? Did he do that under the gun? Or from the small blind? All of it is information to classify a numbers guy? A bluffer guy? A math guy? A position guy (opportunist) or a shear unequivocal Moran? Notice how they bet relative to big blind values. Does any of it make sense? You would be surprised how many people make mistakes. Habits that they don’t pay attention to. All the way down to chip usage. Some less than experienced players that pay way too much attention to chip values and stacking their chips neat, rarely throw a 100.00 chip out, generally using smallest denomination chips to play hands...until....they are bluffing. Little things you can pick up on
Posted on 8/9/19 at 2:03 pm to fr33manator
fr33... I'd send you home broke at a poker table.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 2:06 pm to OweO
You want chasers at the table. But, he will hit his hand from time to time. Don’t let that discourage you - math/probabilities are on your side. If you have him beat after the Turn and he’s drawing to a flush or an open-ended straight, he will hit that at a rate that favors YOU! ... unless he’s running freakishly hot.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 2:07 pm to redneck
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so you suck a poker, got it
Obviously I am not a pro.. But I don't suck. For whatever reason, just seeing how reckless the guy was playing, its was if I was waiting for a high pair then play him on the odds. Or at least have a decide pair and see if I get a 3 of a kind of the flop or something.
I ended just leaving the table because I let it get to me. If having a weak moment overall makes me suck at poker then.. Well I guess I suck at poker
This post was edited on 8/9/19 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 8/9/19 at 2:08 pm to OweO
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How Do You Adjust When Playing With Chasers?
If I know I'm the strongest player:
Force everyone to pay to see the flops I want to see. 5x the blind will typically shut them down.
If it's questionable, fold anything that isn't great pre flop, bet VERY hard if it's viable.
Basically, force their hand.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 2:10 pm to OweO
I’ve been there before. Play YOUR game or leave if you tilt...like you did. I usually just stroke their ego about how good they are and just hide and wait
Posted on 8/9/19 at 2:15 pm to OweO
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I would have off suit AQ, he would minimum raise and I would fold .
Now granted I don't know what the bet limits are, where you are sitting in relation to the button, what stage of the hand you are at, but there are a lot of situations where this is probably not the right call and not nearly as many where it is right. In like a 3/6 game it would just be crazy at almost any point.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 2:26 pm to X123F45
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5x the blind will typically shut them down
shite, 5x would get 4-5 callers in the games I played in. Try like 10-15x. That might narrow it down to 2 caller.s
Posted on 8/9/19 at 2:29 pm to OweO
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just seeing how reckless the guy was playing, its was if I was waiting for a high pair then play him on the odds. Or at least have a decide pair and see if I get a 3 of a kind of the flop or something.
you don't need a premium hand to play back at a loose player. "play him on the odds"? if you want to talk odds, then odds are he doesn't have anything most of the time, so you should be playing back at him with weaker hands than you would against a tight player (like you) that waits for premium hands.
look at this chart:
at the bottom, it says junk and pair. half the time, you have nothing. 90% of the time, you only have a pair.
so you've over here letting this dude scoop every damn pot when half the time he's got nothing, and you're not even playing back at him when you have AQ.
here's the kicker...once you finally DO play back at him, he's just gonna fold. he knows you're waiting for AA to finally get the balls to make a move, so once you do, he'll just fold his 9-3 this one time, then keep picking on you until you sack up again.
he's playing you the way you're supposed to play scared money, but you need to play him the way you're supposed to play loose money.
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Well I guess I suck at poker
yea, maybe so.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 2:41 pm to OweO
Welcome to 15 years ago.
And no, we don't want to hear your bad beat story.
Nobody on earth cares.
And no, we don't want to hear your bad beat story.
Nobody on earth cares.
This post was edited on 8/9/19 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 8/9/19 at 2:45 pm to Manzielathon
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People think the whole point of poker is to bluff people. It’s not. It’s about making enough correct decisions.
It’s literally just math.
People watched Rounders and think its ALL about reading people and bluffing them.
Not even close, but it is part of it. If you pick up on something from someone at the table you use it in your favor if opportunity presents itself, but yes for the most part it is about math, especially if you are grinding.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 2:50 pm to tokenBoiler
for me depends on the buy in. If it is small I gamble more on catching a straight or flush. If you do catch something and have built the pot you can quickly get ahead of the table.
I never really cold bluff.
I never really cold bluff.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 2:54 pm to tokenBoiler
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Welcome to 15 years ago.
And no, we don't want to hear your bad beat story.
Nobody on earth cares.
So because poker was really popular 15 years ago means people do not still play? I am glad its not as popular. You don't have all these jokers who play online and watch it on TV then go to a table as if they are the king of poker.
And this isn't a story about a "bad beat". It is about a playing strategy.
Posted on 8/9/19 at 2:57 pm to OweO
Go for max value . Yeah they’ll hit sometime but make them pay to chase
Posted on 8/9/19 at 3:02 pm to OweO
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I'll be honest, I let that get to me a few weeks ago. I would have off suit AQ, he would minimum raise and I would fold .
You are the worst poker player ever
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