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re: Tests scores and med school acceptance rates. I don’t think this is “white privilege”
Posted on 3/5/23 at 7:17 am to LSUBFA83
Posted on 3/5/23 at 7:17 am to LSUBFA83
Getting into Med School and finishing are two different things. Taking students who cant pass the standardized testing is criminal. When a low quality applicant takes out loans for hundreds of thousands of dollars to attend and never finishes because they fail their boards, that is the real crime.
Right now, there is a huge check and balance in place that “diversity” can’t work around. You can’t move forward and become a practicing physician if you fail your boards.
The system weeds out the unqualified.
Right now, there is a huge check and balance in place that “diversity” can’t work around. You can’t move forward and become a practicing physician if you fail your boards.
The system weeds out the unqualified.
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Posted on 3/5/23 at 7:23 am to rltiger
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Sadly, all good things must come to an end, and now, the party is over for the carefree, pampered, and very white California kid, Mark Watson. As a result, with his self-made millionaire father refusing to pay the tuition to attend the prestigious Harvard Law School, Mark's only hope rests on a full scholarship intended for an African-American applicant, and a bunch of tanning pills.
There is a blueprint...
Posted on 3/5/23 at 7:28 am to tigerskin
Yeah. This has been going on for years. Learning this when my wife was applying for med school 8 years ago was eye opening.
It’s clear discrimination. The fact that the AMA still publishes this shocks me. And I suspect there is some similar micro level discrimination happening with applicants to residency programs as well.
Most colleges and universities don’t publish matriculation status for undergrad or grad programs, but I suspect you’ll find similar evidence of discrimination there if they did publish it.
It’s clear discrimination. The fact that the AMA still publishes this shocks me. And I suspect there is some similar micro level discrimination happening with applicants to residency programs as well.
Most colleges and universities don’t publish matriculation status for undergrad or grad programs, but I suspect you’ll find similar evidence of discrimination there if they did publish it.
This post was edited on 3/5/23 at 7:31 am
Posted on 3/5/23 at 7:36 am to East Coast Band
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So, essentially a 31 on the MCAT for a white is equal to a 25 for a black.
If you know someone that has recently applied, you’d know how low that score is (24-25). A lot of sophomores in pre-med can do that or better on their first batch of practice exams.
This post was edited on 3/5/23 at 7:38 am
Posted on 3/5/23 at 7:38 am to tigerskin
So... The scenario plays out
What happens when people perceive black doctors as being less qualified and refuse to go to them.. And black doctors are paying medical school bills but not seeing the revenue.
What happens when people perceive black doctors as being less qualified and refuse to go to them.. And black doctors are paying medical school bills but not seeing the revenue.
Posted on 3/5/23 at 7:39 am to SuperOcean
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And black doctors are paying medical school bills
Posted on 3/5/23 at 7:43 am to rltiger
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Right now, there is a huge check and balance in place that “diversity” can’t work around. You can’t move forward and become a practicing physician if you fail your boards. The system weeds out the unqualified.
Part of Step 2 medical exam was removed 2 years ago. More and more colleges are no longer requiring standardized tests. That is the next thing to go.
This post was edited on 3/7/23 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 3/5/23 at 7:45 am to kywildcatfanone
Most patients don’t have the time to research if their black doctor is only there because of these discriminatory admissions policies or if they are legitimately good in their field.
They’ll just stay away from black doctors. And that includes black patients.
They’ll just stay away from black doctors. And that includes black patients.
Posted on 3/5/23 at 7:45 am to LSUBFA83
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Some of you guys are ridiculous. There are ways to check a doctor's competence (reputation, recommendation, etc.) that having nothing to do with race. I had open heart surgery performed by one of the best surgeons in the city who happens to be black and my current cardiologist is black.
Med schools are using race to determine who gets admitted and you call the people in this thread ridiculous…
Posted on 3/5/23 at 7:48 am to rltiger
Interesting Board Passage Stats
This post was edited on 3/6/23 at 5:47 am
Posted on 3/5/23 at 7:52 am to rltiger
quote:This isn't what is happening. A 24 used to be the average for med school acceptance. The problem is they are passing over better than average students.
Taking students who cant pass the standardized testing is criminal.
Posted on 3/5/23 at 7:53 am to OTIS2
There was a thread on med school matriculation stats about 10 years ago. It was the first thread when I saw Toddy get red pilled.
That guy was woke AF and when he read those stats he was like “WTF?!? How can anyone defend this?”
He got teased a lot for being gay, but he got more and more level headed as the years went on. I don’t think he posts anymore.
That guy was woke AF and when he read those stats he was like “WTF?!? How can anyone defend this?”
He got teased a lot for being gay, but he got more and more level headed as the years went on. I don’t think he posts anymore.
This post was edited on 3/5/23 at 7:55 am
Posted on 3/5/23 at 7:58 am to OTIS2
Those passing rates seem high.
Posted on 3/5/23 at 8:08 am to tigerskin
My son is in med school and was told by the doctor in charge of putting together research to include a fellow black student’s name on a publication as a reviewer even though that student did absolutely NOTHING other than attend one meeting. The surgeon that the research was being done for caught on and basically said “frick all that shite” and submitted the publication without the black student’s name on there. Fortunately, there has been no blowback on my son from the other doctor so far.
Posted on 3/5/23 at 8:09 am to tigerskin
The Great Experiment has failed. We took primitive people without any connection to
Western civilization and tried to force feed them into a world that was, literally, a thousand years ahead of their African homeland. Despite generations of set asides, quotas, affirmative action and special programs, they lag behind. They can’t compete and so assimilation is out of the question. Fwiw, the average IQ in sub-Saharan Africa is well below what would be considered special needs in the US. So maybe it’s not their “fault” strictly speaking.
None of this is to deny their human dignity or condone discrimination. But to ignore it is futile and self-defeating. Society is suffering because we keep ramping up programs that are doomed to fail before they start. This med school data is just more of the same. A level playing field isn’t enough. So do we accept a less qualified medical profession as the cost of artificially advancing a minority? And if so,
What next?
Western civilization and tried to force feed them into a world that was, literally, a thousand years ahead of their African homeland. Despite generations of set asides, quotas, affirmative action and special programs, they lag behind. They can’t compete and so assimilation is out of the question. Fwiw, the average IQ in sub-Saharan Africa is well below what would be considered special needs in the US. So maybe it’s not their “fault” strictly speaking.
None of this is to deny their human dignity or condone discrimination. But to ignore it is futile and self-defeating. Society is suffering because we keep ramping up programs that are doomed to fail before they start. This med school data is just more of the same. A level playing field isn’t enough. So do we accept a less qualified medical profession as the cost of artificially advancing a minority? And if so,
What next?
This post was edited on 3/5/23 at 8:17 am
Posted on 3/5/23 at 8:14 am to tigerskin
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Step 2 medical exam was removed 2 years ago. More and more colleges are no longer requiring standardized tests. That is the next thing to go.
What??? That’s not true at all. Step 1 is now pass/fail, but Step 2 is absolutely scored. Step 2 is what you must do exceptionally well on to get into a competitive specialty. I assume many residencies consider and accept POC with a lower score because POC wash out of residencies at a much higher rate than Whites or Asians. Some will say this is evidence of racism, but I would argue that it’s evidence that affirmative action in medicine is dumb as frick!
This post was edited on 3/5/23 at 8:24 am
Posted on 3/5/23 at 8:14 am to tigerskin
I wonder if they can apply the same rules to NFL NBA, etc. I’m 6’0 but they could identify me as 6’9. My vert is like 30. They could move it up to 42. My forty is 4.7 Maybe they could write down 4.42. I bench 225lb 12 times. Maybe it could be counted as 25. I completed zero passes in passing session. Maybe they could count me as 14/15. Idk? Let’s level the playing field.
Posted on 3/5/23 at 8:21 am to auwaterfowler
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What??? That’s not true at all. Step 1 now is pass/fail, but Step 2 is absolutely scored. Step 2 is what you must do exceptionally well on to get into a competitive specialty. But I assume many residencies would consider a POC with a lower score. But then POC wash out of residencies at a much higher rate than Whites or Asians.
“On hold since May 2020, the Step 2 Clinical Skills (CS) exam—a portion of the United States Medical Licensure Examination® (USMLE)—was canceled permanently. “
LINK
Did they restart it again?
This post was edited on 3/5/23 at 8:25 am
Posted on 3/5/23 at 8:26 am to tigerskin
I'll take what is racism for $1000, Alex.
Posted on 3/5/23 at 8:26 am to tigerskin
Step 2 is alive and well
From The US Medical Licensure Exam Site
Edit: There is consideration being given to making it pass/fail like Step 1. That means you damn well better have tons of research, extracurricular activities and recs from absolute stud doctors in your chosen specialty. My son intends to go into cardiothoracic surgery. Here is info on what makes a good candidate for this specialty. There are less than 50 of these residency spots nationwide per year, so the thought of my son getting bumped by someone less qualified than him just because of skin color royally pisses me off.
Integrated Cardiothoracic Surgery: Developing A Successful Residency Application
From The US Medical Licensure Exam Site
Edit: There is consideration being given to making it pass/fail like Step 1. That means you damn well better have tons of research, extracurricular activities and recs from absolute stud doctors in your chosen specialty. My son intends to go into cardiothoracic surgery. Here is info on what makes a good candidate for this specialty. There are less than 50 of these residency spots nationwide per year, so the thought of my son getting bumped by someone less qualified than him just because of skin color royally pisses me off.
Integrated Cardiothoracic Surgery: Developing A Successful Residency Application
This post was edited on 3/5/23 at 8:38 am
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