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re: Tesla's Monster 54,000 Solar Panel Power Plant In Kauai Opens
Posted on 3/9/17 at 4:24 pm to chinhoyang
Posted on 3/9/17 at 4:24 pm to chinhoyang
Small Modular Reactors are a better option
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Posted on 3/9/17 at 6:29 pm to Dam Guide
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Small Modular Reactors are a better option
Posted on 3/9/17 at 6:32 pm to Tigeralum2008
Yeah, it looks much better than the plants in Louisiana that make the water and air toxic
Posted on 3/9/17 at 6:34 pm to dabigfella
That looks like shite. We should go nuclear.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 6:36 pm to ell_13
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Posted on 3/9/17 at 6:38 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/9/17 at 6:39 pm to The Baker
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Subtract the MW's used to extract the coal and transport it to Big Cajun 2.
Do that for the production/installation cost of the solar plant.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 6:51 pm to SlapahoeTribe
it seems they've cut the price from 15.5 cents per kilowatt down to 13.7 cents per kilowatt and that rate is locked in for 20 years. That seems like a good deal bc prices are likely to rise over time. Im reading the average customer in the state paid 27.68 cents/kwh in december so it looks like the utilities will make more money off this as well but I cant find a project cost on this thing. Im just curious if its a profitable venture for tesla or if its another one of elon's cool ideas that loses money.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 6:52 pm to Kingpenm3
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Always funny to see how many mirrors are already broken on that thing.
That's not all. It's also been labeled a "mega-trap" for its effect on wildlife.
From wikipedia (originally LA Times):
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In September 2016, federal biologists said about 6,000 birds die from collisions or immolation annually while chasing flying insects around the facility’s towers.[73]
Posted on 3/9/17 at 8:13 pm to Napoleon
quote:You do realize that's water vapor coming out of those heat exchangers, right?
Posted on 3/9/17 at 8:15 pm to dabigfella
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it seems they've cut the price from 15.5 cents per kilowatt down to 13.7 cents per kilowatt and that rate is locked in for 20 years. That seems like a good deal bc prices are likely to rise over time.
quote:You're comparing wholesale and retail rates.
Im reading the average customer in the state paid 27.68 cents/kwh in december so it looks like the utilities will make more money off this as well
Posted on 3/9/17 at 9:21 pm to dabigfella
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Oil oddly enough finally cracked below $50 yesterday the day this thing opened.
Multiple reasons for this, none of which have to do with a bunch of solar panels in the desert somewhere.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 10:23 pm to dabigfella
I bet the natives after thrilled.....
Posted on 3/10/17 at 12:06 am to dabigfella
The issue with solar and wind, on top of them not being able to produce anywhere close to the power that coal/gas/oil can, is that all you're doing is shifting the carbon foot print. What most people don't pay attention to is that to build all of the components for solar farms/wind turbines, you still have to mine the materials and use plants to build everything. All of that will take fossil fuels to do and it obviously increases with the increase in production. Unfortunately, the best technology we have in nuclear has been painted as super scary, so we don't use it like we should. Solar has a future as a supplemental power source, but something better will more than likely come along before it gets to a point of mass scale use.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 1:09 am to The Baker
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Subtract the MW's used to extract the coal and transport it to Big Cajun 2.
Subtract the many MWs required to melt the silicon used in solar cell manufacturing and the transportation cost. If you believe the promoters of solar energy the latest technology cells will require 4 years of producing electricity to equal the energy used in their manufacture, and that calculation assumes every day is sunny.
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 3:39 am to dabigfella
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Those solar panels were basically outdated by the time they opened.
Um, no. The panels have been increasing in watts and efficiency but not by crazy amounts so those will be fine and they have a 25 year warranty.
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So do you think they will be replacing them or no?
In 25 years or so if the production guarantee is accurate.
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was 13.7 cents/kwh which sounds high but maybe not for hawaii where everything else is significantly more.
Kauai pays about $.32 per kWh currently. It was over $.40 in 2015 but oil prices have helped. So <$.14 is really good. They already signed up another farm at $.11 per kWh.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 3:49 am to Taxing Authority
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Elon is a great marketer. 13MW isn't a monster" at all.
I think you're missing that this is considered a "monster" for Kauai and because of the storage. The big thing in Hawaii is the utility saying the grid can't handle more PV exporting energy to the grid so now you have to store it. So this farm is "off-grid" and is supplying daytime load as well as nighttime load without hurting the grid. The CVSR is huge but is not storage. A friend of mine just completed a 113 mW farm in CA.
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 3:56 am
Posted on 3/10/17 at 3:53 am to SlapahoeTribe
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The big oil tankers can carry 2 million barrels each trip.
So, this facility only saves 2.6% of the capacity of one ship, taking one trip.
Brilliant... Just brilliant I say!
So you think it's better for Hawaii to keep competing with Japan for that oil and spending billions of dollars vs using the sun? They're saving money and not using oil for that energy produced.
Hawaii has a madate to go 100% renewable by 2045. We're way ahead of that curve right now. Solar is a big part of the reason for that.
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 3:58 am
Posted on 3/10/17 at 4:03 am to Taxing Authority
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Seems like a good argument to what he posted. Getting the rates dropped from 15.5 to 13.7 was a good job. Had they negotiated even more they would have likely gotten it around the $.11 the new one is locked in at. He's also accurate that the rates in Hawaii will go up and have gone up a lot. These last couple years we have seen a decrease but still paying $.30+ per kWh. You think 13.7 cents is bad locked in for 20 years? Not to mention these batteries can keep the power on during power outages or emergencies.
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