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re: Tesla needs to be driven for 47K miles to breakeven with BMW in terms of CO2 emissions
Posted on 6/2/22 at 2:32 pm to billjamin
Posted on 6/2/22 at 2:32 pm to billjamin
quote:My FIL, who still partakes in email chains these days, was trying to convince me I'd pay more in electricity for more EV than I would if it were gas because of some chain email that was sent to him.
People who say shite like that don't understand degradation and get all their talking points from Facebook and reddit.
It was pretty funny
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 2:38 pm to Engineer22
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Are they factoring what happens with the batteries when you have to change them out in 10 years?
Recycle them? Its already cleaner than mining virgin material.
Also batteries are lasting more than 10 years.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 2:38 pm to hikingfan
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So, there you have it. Even when using electricity that largely comes from coal, and even factoring in the creation of the battery pack, EVs have a considerably smaller impact on the environment than traditional, gasoline-powered cars.
All the facts and data introduced have nothing to do with the above part. That break even point was for just the production of the battery, not regular recharging of it.
All of that aside, I don't care about any of that. Emissions is not a concern of mine when purchasing a vehicle...operating cost for what I need over the life of the vehicle is my concern.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 2:39 pm to hikingfan
In other news India and China have pledged to ramp up coal production that will offset the rest of the planet going 100% carbon neutral.
But this is a cool nugget of info.
But this is a cool nugget of info.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 2:39 pm to billjamin
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Yeah, the US is allowing esg scores and has openly stated that it’s goal is to end fossil fuels thus increasing pricing so much that it forces people to make decisions that they otherwise wouldn’t.
FIFY
Posted on 6/2/22 at 2:42 pm to jnethe1
To confirm, you're saying that the US wanting to move to electric are controlling gas prices in America...and also other countries in the world that have had gas prices spikes?
This post was edited on 6/2/22 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 6/2/22 at 2:47 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
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Posted on 6/2/22 at 2:51 pm to jnethe1
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That’s fine and all, but I am still against the government picking winners and losers. If it is indeed a better technology, then it will win out on its own.
It's more than this. When has the gov't EVER been right picking winners/losers? It'd be different if they ever picked the right thing.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 2:52 pm to shel311
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Gas prices aren't only up here in the US so yes, that's just crazy talk.
Oh yeah, the rest of the world has the same energy reserves as us. And their leaders said that their goal is to end fossil fuels. Silly me.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 2:54 pm to shel311
I fixed your post to make it factual. It is up to you to decide what to do with that information.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 2:57 pm to hikingfan
Good article. Just in time for gay pride month.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 3:04 pm to geauxturbo
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Electric cars produce CO2 at a power plant instead of the tailpipe UNLESS the power is from nuclear, solar, wind, or hydro. So, for most of the country the electric car is a contributer to CO2. Electricity is not produced by the plug in the wall.
Yes, exactly why EVs are the way of the future. Large static point sources afford the ability to capture CO2 or sequester. Millions of small mobile sources do not.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 3:07 pm to hikingfan
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The biggest surprise to me in this article was finding out that Alaska has the highest percentage of renewable energy usage in the continental US. What kind of renewables are those, I wonder?
It’s a very deceiving statement, there is a large “percentage “ of renewable energy used because Alaska has so many people living “”off-grid” getting power from solar panels, and small wind generators. The total population of the state Alaska is less than 800,000 people, so even though the actual amount of renewable energy produced is minuscule, the percentage is high because of the low population size.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 3:20 pm to Lima Whiskey
How true. It’s disappointing to see so many downvotes. They’ve been conditioned. CO2 is not a problem, never has been, never will be. FACT.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 6:08 pm to Steadyhands
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All the facts and data introduced have nothing to do with the above part. That break even point was for just the production of the battery, not regular recharging of it.
This is incorrect. They factored in the CO2 generation per mile driven. They came up with 210g CO2/mile (for the “dirtiest” power in the country - meaning lowest percentage of renewables) and added that to the CO2 generated manufacturing the battery pack. They used those two values to come to the 47k mile breakeven.
They came up with 130g CO2/mile for Alaska which apparently uses the highest percentage of renewables. That’s why they said the breakeven is only 27k miles in Alaska.
They don’t appear to have factored in any of the carbon generated during manufacturing for the BMW (as far as I can tell). Probably fairly difficult to get any accurate data on that, if I had to guess.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 6:20 pm to hikingfan
Excess CO2 is a byproduct of climate change, not the cause.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 6:31 pm to LongueCarabine
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Korksoaker is not gonna like this.
Why?
That's an incredibly positive result for Tesla
Posted on 6/2/22 at 6:46 pm to TunaTrip
quote:Isotopic fingerprints say you're wrong.
Excess CO2 is a byproduct of climate change, not the cause.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 6:50 pm to LongueCarabine
quote:I don't know why I would either like or not like this. It's pretty much in line with my expectations. Not much of a concern of mine either way, aside from my general belief that we should probably not burn more shite than we have to.
Korksoaker is not gonna like this.
Posted on 6/2/22 at 9:13 pm to Korkstand
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Not much of a concern of mine either way, aside from my general belief that we should probably not burn more shite than we have to.
Yeah you’re above it all, LOL. You think EV’s are gonna solve that problem?
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