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re: Tennessee lawmakers punish Memphis for removing Confederate statues

Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:09 pm to
Posted by LeauxCountryTigah
Her Nether Regions
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Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:09 pm to
The American Civil War was fought primarily between the industrialized northern states and the predominately agrarian southern states. In between these lay the Border States. This lesson will reveal which states were included in the Border States and the significance of each to the war effort.

Border States in the American Civil War
The American Civil War is often viewed entirely as the North versus the South, but sandwiched in between these two battling areas were the Border States. The Border States included Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri. By mid-war, West Virginia was added to the list.

Border States

However, the criteria for being a Border State was not simply geographic. They also had a unique cultural identity. Slaveholding was legal in the Border States, and like the South, they didn't support Lincoln in the 1860 election. However, his win was not an impetus for secession here because the Border States also held on to a firm belief in a strong federal union.

Compromises for Union Loyalty
The Border States were vital to the success of the Union. Containing significant deposits of mineral resources, they were also major agricultural areas producing both livestock and grain. Additionally, these states contained transportation and communication lines that were vital to the war.

President Lincoln actively worked to maintain the best relationship with these areas to ensure he never lost these resources. However, their cultural ideologies created some significant dividing lines that had to be carefully balanced, including their ideas on slavery.

Lincoln unsuccessfully tried to convince the Border States to be the leaders in voluntary and gradual emancipation in the first years of the war. He pointed out that being the leaders meant they could have time to acclimate their economies to the loss of the slave labor. He offered them financial compensation for the loss of their slaves. Nothing worked. This failure to gain emancipation in the Border States was one of the major reasons he felt it necessary to draft the Emancipation Proclamation.

The more you know...
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21849 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:22 pm to
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The American Civil War was fought primarily between the industrialized northern states and the predominately agrarian southern states. In between these lay the Border States. This lesson will reveal which states were included in the Border States and the significance of each to the war effort.


Ah I see. Apparently there was a third mysterious country called the Border States.

Who knew?

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The Border States were vital to the success of the Union


But they werent a part of the Union?!?!?

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This failure to gain emancipation in the Border States was one of the major reasons he felt it necessary to draft the Emancipation Proclamation.


Which still didnt free the slaves north of the confederacy. That wouldnt happen until after the war to free the slaves in the south was won.
Posted by LeauxCountryTigah
Her Nether Regions
Member since Jan 2008
453 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:52 pm to
I am doing my best to be as helpful as possible with your comprehension struggles my man...

Civil War Facts: 1861-1865

The Union included the states of Maine, New York, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Kansas, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, California, Nevada, and Oregon. Abraham Lincoln was their President.

The Confederacy included the states of Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina and Virginia. Jefferson Davis was their President.

Maryland, Delaware, West Virginia, Kentucky and Missouri were called Border States.

LINK
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
19915 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:59 pm to
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Maryland, Delaware, West Virginia, Kentucky and Missouri


When did these states secede?
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
24301 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 3:03 pm to
Can I ask a question? Why are some of you so attached to these statues? Statues of civil rights leaders have never done anything for me honestly. I just want to understand why do they mean so much to so many people
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58629 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 3:05 pm to
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hey didn't support Lincoln in the 1860 election.
So i guess every state that didnt support Obama in the election was "technically" part of the USA?

and the few states that didnt Support Trump in the most recent election are "technically" part of the USA now.

Because that is what this idiot is saying.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58629 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 3:05 pm to
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Can I ask a question? Why are some of you so attached to these statues? Statues of civil rights leaders have never done anything for me honestly. I just want to understand why do they mean so much to so many people
most people dont like to erase history.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21849 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 3:14 pm to
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Can I ask a question? Why are some of you so attached to these statues? Statues of civil rights leaders have never done anything for me honestly. I just want to understand why do they mean so much to so many people


I view all statues as memorials to some part of history. By removing them you are erasing reminders of some part of history.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 3:17 pm to
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Can I ask a question? Why are some of you so attached to these statues


In Virginia it’s all these transplants coming in and telling us that we must disown our ancestors.

I’m not inclined.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 3:17 pm to
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When did these states secede?


Oh.. I know this one...


They didn't...
Posted by Packer
IE, California
Member since May 2017
8699 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 3:19 pm to
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I view all statues as memorials to some part of history. By removing them you are erasing reminders of some part of history.


Ah yes, lets remember somebody who was on the losing side of a war and the first Grand Wizard of the KKK.
Posted by VOLhalla
Knoxville
Member since Feb 2011
5227 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 3:19 pm to
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And the state threw a hissy fit over our short-term rental law, which is essentially a local zoning issue. What the frick does some state senator from BFE know about zoning in my neighborhood?


FYI AirBNB lobbied the hell out of the state legislature.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21849 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 3:27 pm to
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Ah yes, lets remember somebody who was on the losing side of a war and the first Grand Wizard of the KKK.


Perhaps we should forget about it then? Its not like this would or could ever happen again- or history repeat itself.

Society has nothing to gain by remembering the past.
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 3:28 pm
Posted by Packer
IE, California
Member since May 2017
8699 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 3:31 pm to
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Perhaps we should forget about it then? Its not like this would or could ever happen again- or history repeat itself.



Not at all, but we shouldn't be memorializing these people with statues.

By your logic Hitler should have a statue.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21849 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 3:45 pm to
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Maryland, Delaware, West Virginia, Kentucky and Missouri were called Border States.


The civil war was fought between two sides. The North (or Union) vs the South (or Confederates).

Which side did these states geographically represent?
Posted by HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Member since Jul 2011
33748 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 3:46 pm to




This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 3:47 pm
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21849 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 3:50 pm to
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By your logic Hitler should have a statue.


Actually I think there exists more than one Hitler statue in the world.

Besides that, there are statues up of equally horrible people- Stalin and Franco for example.
Posted by AlonsoWDC
Memphis, where it ain't Ten-a-Key
Member since Aug 2014
9387 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 3:51 pm to
Know how I know you're dumb?
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
20256 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 3:52 pm to
This made me laugh.

That representive is quite butt hurt
Posted by Wayne Campbell
Aurora, IL
Member since Oct 2011
7454 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 4:12 pm to
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Society has nothing to gain by remembering the past.



Remembering and memorializing are not the same thing. May people don't need to be memorialized and idolized.

History can be remembered with out being memorialized and venerated.
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