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re: Tell me why Imperial is better than the Metric system

Posted on 10/23/24 at 11:23 am to
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 11:23 am to
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mathematically, you can break imperial down into more factors
4ths, 8ths, 16ths, 32nds, 64ths, etc.

makes it more versatile when building things.
literally ANY system of measure is usable when building something. if i handed you a tape measure marked in quatloos, and pointed to a pile of lumber and asked you to cut me 10 boards exactly 12.25 quatloos long, you could easily do it, no intuition or other guidance necessary.

whats a quatloo? no idea
whats an inch?
Posted by Stinger_1066
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 11:26 am to
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The engineers that did it used the metric system when putting us there though


Correct. The link is a fascinating read. A guy from the Apollo project describes all the issues they went through.

Stories from the Apollo program by one of the engineers who worked on it.

Here is an excerpt:

With respect to units, the LGC was eclectic. Inside the computer we used metric units, at least in the case of powered-flight navigation and guidance. At the operational level NASA, and especially the astronauts, preferred English units. This meant that before being displayed, altitude and altitude-rate (for example) were calculated from the metric state vector maintained by navigation, and then were converted to feet and ft/sec. It would have felt weird to speak of spacecraft altitude in meters, and both thrust and mass were commonly expressed in pounds. Because part of the point of this paper is to show how things were called in this era of spaceflight, I shall usually express quantities in the units that it would have felt natural to use at the time.
Posted by beerandt
Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 11:31 am to
Decimal is different than n^2 fractions, and either theoretically could be used with either metric or imperial.

But n^2 fractions (and wholes) is substantially easier for building stuff, and completely goes against the spirit of metric, if not certain rules.
Posted by St. Pete Tiger
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 11:37 am to
The base 12 comment on page one nailed it. Much easier in day to day life
Posted by Stinger_1066
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 11:40 am to
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And it's not even used in math, Kelvin is.


I had an argument with a guy one time. It went like this:

The Fahrenheit temperature moved from 30 degrees to 60 degrees in one day. He said "the temperature doubled". I tried, without success, to explain to him why he was wrong.
Posted by Stinger_1066
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 11:43 am to
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No, actually they didn't. I've held prints for flight hardware of that era in my hands. It was in inches.


Read this: written by someone who actually worked on the Apollo project
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 11:45 am to
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idk how we got here


Stuff You Should Know did a podcast episode on why. Worth listening if you’re into that sort of stuff.

Spoiler…beef with France
This post was edited on 10/23/24 at 11:46 am
Posted by Stinger_1066
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 11:46 am to
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NASA used metric for the moon landings


They used both.

Read this.
Posted by TigerSprings
Southeast LA
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 11:47 am to
Are you trying to tell me that 0 C + 0 C =/= 64 F?
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 11:48 am to
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They used both.


I never said they didn't.
Posted by 94LSU
Member since May 2023
633 posts
Posted on 10/23/24 at 11:49 am to
Feet/inches are useful because a foot is evenly divisible by so many numbers: 1, 2, 3, 4 and 6. A third of a foot is 4 inches, etc. Good luck measuring a third of a meter or 100mm repeatably.
This post was edited on 10/23/24 at 11:50 am
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 11:51 am to
We do use the metric system in a lot of areas. It is INFINITELY easier to divide by 10 than it is to divide by 16 LOL. How we came up with 1/16 inch is beyond me. I does require American kids to learn more difficult math and math education is ALL about problem solving. When you learn to divide by 16 instead of 10 you have a leg up in problem solving skills. (or 4, 8, 32, 64 128 etc etc).
Posted by TheRealTigerHorn
Member since Jun 2023
199 posts
Posted on 10/23/24 at 12:30 pm to
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quote:
No, actually they didn't. I've held prints for flight hardware of that era in my hands. It was in inches.


Read this: written by someone who actually worked on the Apollo project


For those who won't read it, the relevant passage is:

quote:

With respect to units, the LGC was eclectic. Inside the computer we used metric units, at least in the case of powered-flight navigation and guidance. At the operational level NASA, and especially the astronauts, preferred English units. This meant that before being displayed, altitude and altitude-rate (for example) were calculated from the metric state vector maintained by navigation, and then were converted to feet and ft/sec. It would have felt weird to speak of spacecraft altitude in meters, and both thrust and mass were commonly expressed in pounds. Because part of the point of this paper is to show how things were called in this era of spaceflight, I shall usually express quantities in the units that it would have felt natural to use at the time.


As I noted, the prints of hardware that I saw in person, and sometimes based CAD drawings on for modified equipment for STS program use, were all in English units.

Fun fact: Almost all precision balls used in bearings, even metric bearings, are inch standard sizes. Getting metric precision steel balls is very expensive, if they can be had at all, unless they coincide exactly with an English size.
This post was edited on 10/23/24 at 12:34 pm
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 10/23/24 at 12:31 pm to
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Tell me why Imperial is better than the Metric system


Can't do that, because my father told me not to lie.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
36803 posts
Posted on 10/23/24 at 12:33 pm to
Nassim Taleb defended the Imperial system in his book Anti-Fragile


quote:

Overview of Taleb's Argument

In this section, Taleb explores the concept of antifragility in systems and argues that traditional, organically developed systems—like the imperial system—are more robust and adaptable than artificially imposed ones like the metric system.

Key Points:

Organic Development: Taleb emphasizes that the imperial system evolved over centuries based on human proportions and practical needs. For example:
Foot: Originated from the length of a human foot.
Inch: Historically defined as the width of a human thumb.
Intuitiveness: The imperial units are often more relatable and easier to visualize because they are based on human scale.
Flexibility and Adaptability: He argues that organically developed systems can better handle real-world complexities and uncertainties.
Critique of Standardization: Taleb criticizes the metric system for being a top-down imposition that may lack the adaptability inherent in systems that have evolved naturally.

Why Taleb Prefers the Imperial System

Human Scale Reference: Measurements are connected to the human body, making them more practical in daily life.
Resilience: Systems that have withstood the test of time are considered more robust against unforeseen changes.
Antifragility: The imperial system gains from disorder by being adaptable, whereas rigid systems may break under stress.


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Systems grounded in practical human experience are often superior to those designed purely from theoretical principles.
Posted by TheRealTigerHorn
Member since Jun 2023
199 posts
Posted on 10/23/24 at 12:37 pm to
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Nassim Taleb defended the Imperial system in his book Anti-Fragile




I've always found his takes to be interesting and well-reasoned.

He has a great discussion on the probable appearance and ethnicity of Jesus, though I don't think he is particularly religious himself.
Posted by MemphisGuy
Member since Nov 2023
10633 posts
Posted on 10/23/24 at 12:43 pm to
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The Fahrenheit temperature moved from 30 degrees to 60 degrees in one day. He said "the temperature doubled". I tried, without success, to explain to him why he was wrong.

All I know is that 320 degrees Fahrenheit is exactly double 160 degrees Celsius.

And, AI thinks you are wrong. It tells me that 30 degrees Fahrenheit times 2 is 60 degrees Fahrenheit, so 60 is 30 doubled.

So much for AI being smarter than humans.
This post was edited on 10/23/24 at 12:45 pm
Posted by vince vega
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2014
743 posts
Posted on 10/23/24 at 12:51 pm to
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Good lord this thread reeks of low IQ


metric IS superior, but you know 32-212 is so much more intuitive than 0-100
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
34967 posts
Posted on 10/23/24 at 1:00 pm to
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Wrong. See above.


ok
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Member since Dec 2013
17359 posts
Posted on 10/23/24 at 1:02 pm to
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Inch: Historically defined as the width of a human thumb.


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