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re: Teenager who murdered his parents in BR in the 90s....
Posted on 10/24/18 at 12:40 pm to HotKoolaid
Posted on 10/24/18 at 12:40 pm to HotKoolaid
What was his mood like when you interviewed him? Did you get any sense of remorse?
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 12:47 pm to HotKoolaid
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but doing an evil thing does not make someone an evil person.
Actually, yes it does.
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The man will be in his 50's when he gets out.
I agree, this is terrible. He shouldn’t be getting out at all. A 9mm to the back of the head would save us all a lot of time and money.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 12:49 pm to HotKoolaid
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but you have to think about which Clay Logan has the best chance at being a productive member of society. 56 year old Clay, or 30 year old Clay.
No Clay Logan.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 12:49 pm to HotKoolaid
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It's hard for some people but you have to think about which Clay Logan has the best chance at being a productive member of society. 56 year old Clay, or 30 year old Clay.
No you don't. Not at all.
You simply need to think about what punishment fits the crime. It's not my responsibility to ensure people become productive members of society. If that were the case, there'd be millions of people sitting around sucking off the government tit thrown in jail.
Punish him relative to the crime he committed. Period. Good for him if he decides to rehabilitate.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 12:56 pm to ellishughtiger
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What was his mood like when you interviewed him? Did you get any sense of remorse?
He seemed like a normal guy. Most of them do because you only see them at their best. You can tell he's told his story a million times by how polished the presentation was. Of course he seemed remorseful as that was the whole point of the conversation. He's not a stupid man and sending me out the door with any negative impression of him does nobody any good.
I don't know if I believe him or not but what I do know is sentencing a child to 40 years in prison does not do anyone any favors. The only people who feel good about it are people like you and me because we look at him as something that is potentially dangerous. The harsh reality is he's not likely to be a dangerous person but nobody is willing to shoulder the responsibility of letting him out. What if...
Posted on 10/24/18 at 12:59 pm to HotKoolaid
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what I do know is sentencing a child to 40 years in prison does not do anyone any favors
Subjective opinion (and using the term "child"loosely)
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The only people who feel good about it are people like you and me because we look at him as something that is potentially dangerous.
Subjective opinion
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The harsh reality is he's not likely to be a dangerous person but nobody is willing to shoulder the responsibility of letting him out.
Subjective opinion.
I always marvel on here when people state things as fact (I do know), then go on to cite pure speculation and opinion.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:01 pm to HotKoolaid
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I don't know if I believe him or not but what I do know is sentencing a child to 40 years in prison does not do anyone any favors.
No, but no one owes him any favors either.
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The harsh reality is he's not likely to be a dangerous person
People probably thought that before he murdered someone as well.
And if he was 16, that's not really a child. I know it's a minor in the court of law, but that person is capable of telling right from wrong and understanding the consequences of their actions.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:12 pm to Festus
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I always marvel on here when people state things as fact (I do know), then go on to cite pure speculation and opinion.
I'm not sure how a 16 year old can be considered anything other than a child. You're either a child, or an adult. There is a very clear defining line. Maybe I took a little liberty in explaining the rest of my experience but it obviously got the point across or else you wouldn't have taken the time to red pen the whole thing.
It's a moot point anyway. I talked to the man a decade and half ago. the notes are long gone so even I wanted to go back in time and expand I couldn't.
I'll give you the short version. A troubled 16 year old shoots and kills his mother. You can call him a child or an adult, whichever makes you feel better but he is still 16. He was sentenced to a very long time in prison and when he gets out he will be unemployable and in his 50's. Was justice served?
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:18 pm to adamb2151
A few weeks before he murdered his parents he came to a keg party that I was at and threatened my good buddy with a pair of brass knuckles. He was clearly psycho.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:18 pm to mikelbr
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Pretty sure Clay is in Houma area now.
He is in Hunt Correctional in St. Gabriel.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:18 pm to LSUBoo
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No, but no one owes him any favors either.
You are exactly right. It's his bed, he made it. I do not disagree one bit.
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And if he was 16, that's not really a child. I know it's a minor in the court of law, but that person is capable of telling right from wrong and understanding the consequences of their actions.
Sometimes. Not all 16 year olds are created equal.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:19 pm to HotKoolaid
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You're either a child, or an adult. There is a very clear defining line.
No, there is absolutely not. That's ridiculous.
There is nothing but gray area here. I knew 16 year olds that had maturity and intellectual capacity of a 30 year old and I knew 18 year olds that had maturity and intellectual capacity of 14 year olds.
Regardless, every non-mentally handicapped 16 year old that I knew, understood right from wrong and understood the consequences of murdering someone.
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I'll give you the short version. A troubled 16 year old shoots and kills his mother. You can call him a child or an adult, whichever makes you feel better but he is still 16. He was sentenced to a very long time in prison and when he gets out he will be unemployable and in his 50's. Was justice served?
Oh, poor him. Unemployable! The horror! How employable is his mom?
Justice should be a bullet to the back of his head, and if not that, life in prison.
He didn't have a heated argument with his parents and in the heat of the moment hit his mom, who fell and had a deadly brain injury.
He committed premeditated murder and attempted murder and showed no remorse afterwards. He actually showed joy afterwards. There were no reports of abuse or mistreatment. His sister is normal as can be. His moral compass and soul don't exist and he can't create those in prison.
I think you were duped by a sociopath.
This post was edited on 10/24/18 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:20 pm to HotKoolaid
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A troubled 16 year old shoots and kills his mother
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He was sentenced to a very long time in prison
He should have ridden the lightning. That would be the justice he deserved for killing his mother.
This post was edited on 10/24/18 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:23 pm to HotKoolaid
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I'm not sure how a 16 year old can be considered anything other than a child. You're either a child, or an adult.
False. Many things in between. I think the term you are looking for is "minor". There is a clear defining line with a minor. But child? I think many people would disagree in the labeling of a 16 year old as a child. Would you call a 17 year, 11 month, 30 day old a child, or an adult?
And look, I don't want to get caught up on the child issue. That's a very small part of my criticism to what you wrote. It was more to your stating the other things as fact, when they are actually merely your opinion.
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'll give you the short version. A troubled 16 year old shoots and kills his mother. You can call him a child or an adult, whichever makes you feel better but he is still 16.
FWIW, I respect what you do and did, and I'm sure your interview was informative and interesting.
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He was sentenced to a very long time in prison and when he gets out he will be unemployable and in his 50's.
Again, your opinion. I would say that's ludicrous. He will be employable. It may not be the best job in the world, but 50 year old convicted murderers find jobs often when they are released. It's actually required for most halfway houses.
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Was justice served?
Don't know, it's subjective. For some, they would believe so. For others, it was not. He murdered his own mother. Tried to kill his father. Many believe that justice served would he his own death.
I'm not going to cry over this convicted murderer having to wait until he's in his 50's to taste freedom again.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:24 pm to HotKoolaid
quote:Is his mom still dead?
Was justice served?
Murdering someone in cold blood, in my opinion, warrants a life sentence because you can't ever get that other person's life back. It isn't about rehabilitation; it's about taking from you what you took from another individual.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:25 pm to Grit-Eating Shin
Classic punishment vs rehabilitation argument.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:27 pm to Festus
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He was sentenced to a very long time in prison and when he gets out he will be unemployable and in his 50's.
Again, your opinion. I would say that's ludicrous. He will be employable. It may not be the best job in the world, but 50 year old convicted murderers find jobs often when they are released. It's actually required for most halfway houses.
Good point.
He can absolutely get a job as a ditch digger or something.
Convicted murderers and rapists get jobs all the time when they're released.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:27 pm to randybobandy
This is off topic but seeing as there seems to be some EHS people here, I used to play in the yard with this kid circa 1997 or so and I found out that he took his parents car out for a joy ride underage and hit a tree and died I think around that time. I think he went to Episcopal but I can't remember his name for the life of me. Does anyone know who I'm referring to?
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:28 pm to TheCaterpillar
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He can absolutely get a job as a ditch digger or something.
Convicted murderers and rapists get jobs all the time when they're released.
Pretty much any restaurant in America would hire him as a dishwasher the day he walks out of jail. Ask anyone in the business.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:28 pm to adamb2151
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Classic punishment vs rehabilitation argument.
My opinion here has always been that it should be looked at in a case-by-case basis.
Some people's crimes and motive for their crimes should be given the rehabilitation route, while others should just rot as punishment because rehabilitation just isn't going to happen or their crime is so heinous that their release can never be justified.
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