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re: Teen turns down plea deal for 25 years in prison, gets 65 years instead
Posted on 4/6/18 at 2:11 pm to DemonKA3268
Posted on 4/6/18 at 2:11 pm to DemonKA3268
Hopefully he learns his lesson when he gets out at the age of 83.
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Posted on 4/6/18 at 2:13 pm to Darth_Vader
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What he doesn’t know yet is some big sweaty prison inmate just found him a fresh prison wife.
Meh, depends on if he has some homies to click up with. He probably already knows a fair number of people inside.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 2:14 pm to White Roach
Okay, he is a POS, but that is a bullshite law.
Cops kill someone, but you are held accountable for THEIR trigger finger.
I get it for charging the getaway car with robbery, but that is just fricking absurd.
Cops kill someone, but you are held accountable for THEIR trigger finger.
I get it for charging the getaway car with robbery, but that is just fricking absurd.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 2:15 pm to DemonKA3268
Great ending to this story.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 2:20 pm to DemonKA3268
Could have been out in 8 to 10.
Now itll be 30.
Now itll be 30.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 2:20 pm to ibldprplgld
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This guy either got some very bad legal counsel, or ignored good legal counsel. What a dumbshit.
I am not a lawyer, but I do watch a lot of Law and Order reruns on TV. In my experience, usually what happens is that Jack McCoy comes in and makes a fairly reasonable offer, the perp tells McCoy to go frick himself, the perp's lawyer tells him it is a good deal and that he should take it, the perp tells his lawyer and McCoy to go frick themselves again and that he will take his chances with a jury, and McCoy promptly shoves it up the defendant's arse in court, making the defendant wish he had taken the deal.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 2:22 pm to Volvagia
That is a fricked up law. The cop shoots the burglar and the other burglar gets charged with murder? WTF?
Posted on 4/6/18 at 2:22 pm to Volvagia
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Okay, he is a POS, but that is a bullshite law.
Cops kill someone, but you are held accountable for THEIR trigger finger. I get it for charging the getaway car with robbery, but that is just fricking absurd.
I'm sure it's all in the way the law was written. May not - probably not - the original intent, but it's how it's being used by DAs.
Do you remember the son of a homeowner in OK who smoked three teens who broke into his home one afternoon? There was a girl waiting in the "getaway car". She got charged with murder because her idiot friends got themselves killed.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 2:27 pm to LSUGrad9295
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McCoy promptly shoves it up the defendant's arse in court, making the defendant wish he had taken the deal.
You missed one important detail ...
When McCoy offers this perp a plea agreement, the perp is only charged with burglary and possession of a firearm. If he doesn't accept the deal, McCoy throws in the ridiculous murder charge as punishment for making him take a chance in front of a jury.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 2:27 pm to White Roach
I’m fine with the law. If they don’t commit the original crime no one gets shot.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 2:32 pm to DemonKA3268
Posted on 4/6/18 at 2:33 pm to Volvagia
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Okay, he is a POS, but that is a bullshite law.
Cops kill someone, but you are held accountable for THEIR trigger finger.
I get it for charging the getaway car with robbery, but that is just fricking absurd.
I agree with this. The police shot the guy, not him.
It does not even appear that he had a weapon on him.
And he is convicted of felony murder as a 15 year old when he did not have a weapon and did not cause bodily harm to anyone?
That is a joke. Terrible law and sentence.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 2:43 pm to DemonKA3268
Got no issue with that law but 65 years for a 15 year old (at time) seems high.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 2:44 pm to DemonKA3268
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DemonKA3268
Good save baw 
Posted on 4/6/18 at 3:00 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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I agree with this. The police shot the guy, not him. It does not even appear that he had a weapon on him. And he is convicted of felony murder as a 15 year old when he did not have a weapon and did not cause bodily harm to anyone? That is a joke. Terrible law and sentence.
Maybe so but if he wasn't there in the first place, he wouldn't have to worry about this.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 3:00 pm to DemonKA3268
I have no problem with people being sentenced to 65 years for armed robbery, burglary, and attempted assault of/flight from a police officer.
I do have a problem with charging someone with "murder" for the death of an accomplice at the hands of a police officer. It's sophistry by the legal system. The Alabama statute:
So an inmate who tries unsuccessfully to make a run for it and causes a guard to slip and crack his skull warrants a murder charge, not negligent homicide? A guy holds up a convenience store with a finger gun under his sweater and is killed when his accomplice crashes the getaway car. Murder for the driver?
I'd rather we just criminalize the hell out of violent felonies and accomplices than bend over backwards with this ridiculous application of felony murder. Armed robbery? 40 years. Accomplice? 30 years.
I do have a problem with charging someone with "murder" for the death of an accomplice at the hands of a police officer. It's sophistry by the legal system. The Alabama statute:
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A person commits murder if:
He or she commits or attempts to commit arson in the first degree, burglary in the first or second degree, escape in the first degree, kidnapping in the first degree, rape in the first degree, robbery in any degree, sodomy in the first degree, aggravated child abuse under Section 26-15-3.1 , or any other felony clearly dangerous to human life and, in the course of and in furtherance of the crime that he or she is committing or attempting to commit, or in immediate flight therefrom, he or she, or another participant if there be any, causes the death of any person.
So an inmate who tries unsuccessfully to make a run for it and causes a guard to slip and crack his skull warrants a murder charge, not negligent homicide? A guy holds up a convenience store with a finger gun under his sweater and is killed when his accomplice crashes the getaway car. Murder for the driver?
I'd rather we just criminalize the hell out of violent felonies and accomplices than bend over backwards with this ridiculous application of felony murder. Armed robbery? 40 years. Accomplice? 30 years.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 3:04 pm to DemonKA3268
If you make the prosecution take it to trial, then you will get lit up at sentencing. He learned that lesson the hard way.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 3:13 pm to VABuckeye
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I’m fine with the law. If they don’t commit the original crime no one gets shot.
Exactly. Don't commit crimes and you won't be facing this issue. Lock the fricker up for life.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 3:18 pm to TigersSEC2010
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Exactly. Don't commit crimes and you won't be facing this issue. Lock the fricker up for life.
Maybe if going to prison was the worst place to go, no privileges, these fine, upstanding citizens would maybe think twice about being a part of the crime.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 3:21 pm to ibldprplgld
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This guy either got some very bad legal counsel, or ignored good legal counsel. What a dumbshit.
Plenty of great criminal defense attorneys in Alabama, so I can just about bet it was he ignored the advice of counsel and went to trial. However, any trial time is good trial experience for the defense attorney. The defendant got his day in court, and he'll get his years in prison for such.
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