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re: Teacher forced to resign after student steals her phone and shares nude pics
Posted on 3/1/16 at 2:48 pm to AwesomeSauce
Posted on 3/1/16 at 2:48 pm to AwesomeSauce
Again, back to the stack of files on a desk in an office comparison. Your stranger going into a car is breaking and entering. Picking up a file and looking at it will not get you in trouble with the law. If I took something out of the file maybe. If I used the information to steal your identity or hack into your bank account maybe. But not just looking at the papers in it. I possessed that file for a second, wouldn't hold up in court that I "stole" them.
The fact that we are having this argument shows why it's inappropriate to have that at school. I don't mean to judge her for having it. Just saying that the fact that she had it is something that can lead to a huge issue. And it has.
The fact that we are having this argument shows why it's inappropriate to have that at school. I don't mean to judge her for having it. Just saying that the fact that she had it is something that can lead to a huge issue. And it has.
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 2:48 pm to NoHoTiger
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es not matter. Her private property was stolen and distributed.
Has nothing to do with the fact that she brought nudie pics to school on her phone. What she did was obviously wrong. What the student did was obviously wrong.
It's akin to a teacher bringing paper pics of nudes, leaving them in a folder on the desk or in her purse, student taking one of the picture, making copies at the library, putting original back in the teachers folder, and the student passing the copies around. Same concept.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 2:51 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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It's akin to a teacher bringing paper pics of nudes, leaving them in a folder on the desk or in her purse, student taking one of the picture, making copies at the library, putting original back in the teachers folder, and the student passing the copies around. Same concept.
Not it's not. Not even remotely close. The woman took her cellphone to work. The same thing every human on this planet does. You comparing that to bringing nude magazines to school is fricking stupid.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 2:52 pm to MorbidTheClown
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the kid stole her phone. it all ends there.
No it does not. That is one issue and the kid was wrong.
Teacher who brought porn on her camera roll to school is also wrong. She would have still been wrong if the student had not accessed it. Of course she would not have been caught.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 2:53 pm to KG6
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Again, back to the stack of files on a desk in an office comparison. Your stranger going into a car is breaking and entering. Picking up a file and looking at it will not get you in trouble with the law. If I took something out of the file maybe. If I used the information to steal your identity or hack into your bank account maybe. But not just looking at the papers in it. I possessed that file for a second, wouldn't hold up in court that I "stole" them.
A "lockscreen" can very easily be argued has the same premise as a car door. If the image was not on the device but was instead on a cloud drive or within personal correspondences how is that any different than accessing private information to steal one's identity? Both were done with ill intent in order to gain some type of advantage from obtaining one's personal property. Whether that be information or an image.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 2:54 pm to crimsonsaint
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Not it's not. Not even remotely close. The woman took her cellphone to work. The same thing every human on this planet does
Funny that you left out the most important part. The porn on the phone camera roll. Lol
Posted on 3/1/16 at 2:55 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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No it does not
as far as i'm concerned it does.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 2:55 pm to LSUTANGERINE
What if the information isn't physically on the device but rather accessible via a server whether it be a cloud or a messaging service. How is that any different than if the student stole her phone to google pics? Same way of accrual, accessing information on a server.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 2:55 pm to Darth_Vader
what a bunch of crap...
the frikkin laws are criminal in nature...
the frikkin laws are criminal in nature...
Posted on 3/1/16 at 2:56 pm to crimsonsaint
quote:She took private property that had access(that she could have password protected fwiw) to her personal nudes, and I'll assume having her nudes at school is against school policy.
Not it's not. Not even remotely close. The woman took her cellphone to work. The same thing every human on this planet does. You comparing that to bringing nude magazines to school is fricking stupid
Posted on 3/1/16 at 2:57 pm to AwesomeSauce
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rmation isn't physically on the device but rather accessible via a server whether it be a cloud or a messaging service. How is that any different than if the student stole her phone to google pics? Same way of accrual, accessing information on a server.
Maybe so. But in this case, as I understand it, the porn was on her camera roll
Posted on 3/1/16 at 2:59 pm to KG6
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Again, back to the stack of files on a desk in an office comparison.
Not really. Files on your desk in your office are assumed to be work related and the property of the office. Someone's personal cellphone on their desk is completely different.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 2:59 pm to AwesomeSauce
Now you are getting into the intent of the student and their wrongdoing. I'm not arguing anything there. I'm merely arguing the stance of the school that it was inappropriate since a kid could easily access the material without technically breaking he law.
I can read your social security off a paper on your desk. The act itself does not mean that I am stealing your identity. Gaining that information (even if it meant I had to open a folder or a filing cabinet in a room I'm allowed to be in) is not "illegal". Using it for illegal purposes, distributing it.....yes, now we've crossed over.
My whole argument is that no matter what the kid did, his being able to access it made it inappropriate for her to have. If someone else sent it and she couldn't help it, that's different. IF someone accessed an outside database using it, she doesn't have control over that.
I can read your social security off a paper on your desk. The act itself does not mean that I am stealing your identity. Gaining that information (even if it meant I had to open a folder or a filing cabinet in a room I'm allowed to be in) is not "illegal". Using it for illegal purposes, distributing it.....yes, now we've crossed over.
My whole argument is that no matter what the kid did, his being able to access it made it inappropriate for her to have. If someone else sent it and she couldn't help it, that's different. IF someone accessed an outside database using it, she doesn't have control over that.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:01 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Ok, then where does it stop? If the boy is 16 then let's require her to register as a sex offender.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:02 pm to KG6
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I can read your social security off a paper on your desk. The act itself does not mean that I am stealing your identity.
That's a horrible analogy. The teacher didn't have the picture open on her desk.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:03 pm to upgrayedd
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Files on your desk in your office are assumed to be work related and the property of the office
Let's go making assumptions.
I can have my personal tax returns on my desk. If bill picks it up and opens it, even with personal written across the top, he may get fired from the company, but he isn't getting arrested.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:05 pm to KG6
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I'm allowed to be in
Whoa now! How is a lockscreen not a digital door barring access? Once one goes through that door they are in an area that without permission they should not be in. The exact same premise as getting into an unlocked car.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:06 pm to Darth_Vader
Isn't being forced to resign the same as being fired if no incentives are being offered?
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:17 pm to AwesomeSauce
quote:Or we can just give her the death penalty!!!
Ok, then where does it stop? If the boy is 16 then let's require her to register as a sex offender.
This post was edited on 3/1/16 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:18 pm to Darth_Vader
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A student stole teacher Leigh Anne Arthur’s cell phone, found a nude picture on the device, then sent the image to other students
how did the youth KNOW there was a naked pic on there?! or was this just bad luck for teacher?
why would he do such a thing? [[ didn't like the teacher? ]] just clowning around?
seems like SHE has a suit against the youth for violating her privacy?! tresspassing? not to mention Malice
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