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re: Study finds vaccines dramatically increase vascular events
Posted on 11/21/21 at 11:42 am to stout
Posted on 11/21/21 at 11:42 am to stout
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Enjoy your eventual heart issues
Well to be fair, that is pretty much the entire US population.
This study would have been more informative if it was a general population and not a "preventative cardiology practice" population- which I assume already are going to that kind of practice because of an increased risk in their history.
I assume they will continue to monitor further out to see if those scores end up coming down over time past just the 2.5 months they have done so far.
Also, I would love to see if they could get a population with previous PULS scores and then ones after they have been diagnosed with the virus (and the severity of their symptoms) to see if significantly greater.
I do not doubt these results because coronavirus causes vasculitis, and so it makes sense a vaccine using its components could cause some increased inflammation, but taking a vaccine is really just about managing risk, so if getting the virus skyrockets your risk, then a vaccine with a more modest bump would be a better deal.
Also, they should study a number of vaccines for various viruses to see if they all cause this or just a MRNA or the other non- MRNA coronavirus vaccines- especially, as both Astra Zeneca and Johnson and Johnson had some publicized issues.
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Posted on 11/21/21 at 11:44 am to TigerGman
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Study shows the virus kills people....
Not very many and the shot still doesn't keep people from getting the virus so by your logic you are OK with people facing severe reactions in addition to still getting Covid for a virus with a low death rate.
Aggressive early treatment and prophylaxis is the answer. Stop thinking that the vaccine is the ONLY solution while excusing the dangers of it.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 11:47 am to LoneStar23
Why not try a fake vaccine card?
Posted on 11/21/21 at 11:49 am to SirWinston
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Why not try a fake vaccine card?
Because that is illegal
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Back in March, the FBI sent out this PSA. It explained falsifying a government seal is a federal crime. The vaccine cards have two seals. In the corner of the card, there are the CDC and HHS seals.
Forging those is a felony under Title 18 of the US Code, Section 10-17. That violation could carry a fine and a maximum of 5 years in prison.
However, attorney Jon Sheldon told us 5 years is unlikely in this case and sentencing will depend on severity.
For example, Sheldon said using a fake card to go to a bar isn't the same as selling thousands of fake cards. While the max penalty is 5 years, Sheldon said the lightest penalty, probation, is more likely.
At the same time, in some cases you may be breaking state law too; depending on where you are. In June, New York made it a class E felony to falsify vaccination records. In Washington D.C., the Attorney General’s Office told us this would be a violation of the District’s forgery law. Those offenses also carry a threat of jail time.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 11:53 am to stout
This study proposes a possible mechanism for increased thromboembolic events/myocarditis seen with certain COVID vaccines. Which is a far cry from
Let’s be better than the other side and try to avoid the hyperbole.
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Study finds vaccines dramatically increase vascular events
Let’s be better than the other side and try to avoid the hyperbole.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 11:58 am to Strannix
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This may wind up as the largest criminal conspiracy and medical malpractice case in history.
The Democratic Party is a death cult.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 11:59 am to stout
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the shot still doesn't keep people from getting the virus
This is just empirically false. It decreases viral load/viral shedding in people who get it (in addition to the decreased severity of illness) so it decreases your ability to spread it to others, which does in fact decrease the number of people getting the virus.
But that’s not even the point of the vaccine, which is to prevent serious illness and death in those who get breakthrough cases, which it most certainly does compared to the unvaxxed population.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:01 pm to LegendInMyMind
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I'm not understanding these lines.
*Mild heart failure
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:01 pm to cwil177
I appreciate the effort, but your comments will fall on the deafest of ears.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:05 pm to zatetic
*mostly mild clinical death
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:07 pm to BRgetthenet
It's so funny they say that. Very brazen 
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:13 pm to stout
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:37 pm to Kjnstkmn
The Covidians are so wrapped up in being right they cannot see the forest for the trees. It does not work and there are potential significant short term side effects with no real knowledge of the potential long term side effects. Get your booster but leave me the Frick alone.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:41 pm to iron banks
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The Covidians are so wrapped up in being right they cannot see the forest for the trees.
Instead of taking a side, maybe it’s best to just realize there’s probably no one on this board with the knowledge to know one way or the other.
At the end of the day, just do what you feel is best for you. (I realize the government mandates and I’m against that)
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:49 pm to stout
Steven Gundy, the author of that abstract, is known to push pseudo-scientific facts. He is a former heart surgeon who is now a supplement salesman.
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He is best known for his disputed claims that lectins, a type of plant protein found in numerous foods, cause inflammation resulting in many modern diseases.[5] His Plant Paradox diet suggests avoiding all foods containing lectins.[6] Scientists and dieticians have classified Gundry's claims about lectins as pseudoscience.[6][7] He sells supplements that he claims protect against or reverse the supposedly damaging effects of lectins.[
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:52 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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(I realize the government mandates and I’m against that)
But, you identify as a Spartan.....hmm, the irony.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:55 pm to stout
Not my work, but here is a post from Reddit pointing out some issues with this. Not saying this is wrong, but proof or significance is far from certain.
1. ?It's a non-peer-reviewed conference abstract.
2. ?It's a single author. That's weird, and rare, considering a single person certainly didn't do all the work this abstract describes themselves
3. ?The single author is Steven Gundry, a "functional" medicine quack renowned for promoting lectin-avoidance diets as cure-alls.
4. ?It's absolutely impossible to ascertain the methods here.
5. ?Because the abstract is terribly written, it's almost impossible to work out what they're actually trying to report
6. ?I'm not a cardiologist, but from what I can tell and my general impression the PULS test is not a validated biomarker. The website gives no publications. The papers referenced in the FAQ are small and terribly cited. The test is marketed by numerous natural health websites.
Edit: one of the only academic results for the PULS test is this 2019 abstract, also by Grundy, that shows that lectin-free diets dramatically reduce PULS scores! Who would have predicted that! (obviously this work was never published, because it probably never existed)
7) The conclusions: "We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination" are over-reaching nonsense.
8) Given what we know about vaccine responses, I'd be more inclined to just think this abstract is bollocks, rather than even any normal physiological inflammatory response
1. ?It's a non-peer-reviewed conference abstract.
2. ?It's a single author. That's weird, and rare, considering a single person certainly didn't do all the work this abstract describes themselves
3. ?The single author is Steven Gundry, a "functional" medicine quack renowned for promoting lectin-avoidance diets as cure-alls.
4. ?It's absolutely impossible to ascertain the methods here.
5. ?Because the abstract is terribly written, it's almost impossible to work out what they're actually trying to report
6. ?I'm not a cardiologist, but from what I can tell and my general impression the PULS test is not a validated biomarker. The website gives no publications. The papers referenced in the FAQ are small and terribly cited. The test is marketed by numerous natural health websites.
Edit: one of the only academic results for the PULS test is this 2019 abstract, also by Grundy, that shows that lectin-free diets dramatically reduce PULS scores! Who would have predicted that! (obviously this work was never published, because it probably never existed)
7) The conclusions: "We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination" are over-reaching nonsense.
8) Given what we know about vaccine responses, I'd be more inclined to just think this abstract is bollocks, rather than even any normal physiological inflammatory response
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:55 pm to Dragula
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Study finds vaccines dramatically increase vascular events
So does eating our delicious cajun foods, smoked meats, fired foods, etc...
Does the govt force your employer to feed you those foods and you’re fired if you refuse? Or do you choose to eat them
Posted on 11/21/21 at 1:00 pm to stout
quote:Posting his daily anti-vaccine article that comes from some crazy obscure source.
stout
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 11/21/21 at 1:03 pm to PassingThrough
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But, you identify as a Spartan.....hmm, the irony.
#boomroasted
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