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re: Storm Aftermath - Hurricane Matthew will be Retired

Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:15 pm to
Posted by b-rab2
N. Louisiana
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Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:15 pm to
I'm no weather man so don't hold me to it.
Posted by DustyDinkleman
Here
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:27 pm to
All the spaghetti plots are pointing to the Gulf, and we're a week and a day out...


Que the "armchair meteorologists" meltdown....

Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
20620 posts
Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:37 pm to
quote:


ugh,hopefully data tomorrow from the hurricane hunters gives us a better idea with the models


Hopefully, they find a rapidly organizing system. The sooner this strengthens the more likely it is to take the first exit opportunity. The GFS has been pretty consistent with getting this going early on. I have some reasons to believe the GFS is being overly aggressive with development but will be glad to be proven wrong
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
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Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:49 pm to
Going to Florida panhandle on Oct 9th. Be an issue?
Posted by lsuman25
Erwinville
Member since Aug 2013
42856 posts
Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:58 pm to
Doesn't a system that is not a strong system tend to not do well in the eastern Caribbean?
Posted by t00f
Not where you think I am
Member since Jul 2016
100332 posts
Posted on 9/26/16 at 6:10 pm to
quote:

All the spaghetti plots are pointing to the Gulf, and we're a week and a day out.


Looks like a fish to me with a cold front bending it out.
Posted by BigB0882
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
5382 posts
Posted on 9/26/16 at 6:16 pm to
The Euro is troubling but it has been pretty horrible this season. However, I am seeing other models slowly coming around. I think the GFS is simply out to lunch.

Even if the Euro is right and this comes west, maybe even making it to the gulf via the Yucatan channel, odds are that a trough will pick it up and swing it to our east but while this will be October it will still be early October and it is also possible that it gets picked up just enough to start heading NW and never really hooks to the East, which would be quite bad for us depending when that happens.

I think it has a quite low chance of coming to LA but the chance is there so I will keep watching.
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
39281 posts
Posted on 9/26/16 at 8:33 pm to
rds is this for real??
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
20620 posts
Posted on 9/26/16 at 8:49 pm to
Another slight shift westward with the early 00z models:

Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
20620 posts
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:04 pm to
quote:

is this for real??


Like real clouds out over the ocean? Yes. Like a real threat for Louisiana, the Gulf, Florida, etc? No one can really say at this point. There is a lot of uncertainty regarding the future track of the system.
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
20620 posts
Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:11 pm to
quote:

Doesn't a system that is not a strong system tend to not do well in the eastern Caribbean?


Yes, but climo suggest that the unfavorable conditions should start to lessen as we move into October but the data points to it still being pretty unfavorable over the next two weeks.

This is showing when systems were first named during the last week of September:



and the first week of October:



So, there is a pretty signifiant dead spot from about 63W over to 73W. So will it get a name before 63W? That is certainly an intriguing question and genesis forecasting is still one of the areas that the models and everyone else still struggles with

There area a few clues as to what might be going on. The 00z Best Track has this near 10N 50W:



and currently all the deep convection is pretty far to the north associated with some stronger shear.



Then add to that that this still has a pretty big circulation that is going to take time to consolidate and genesis doesn't seem imminent.



I saw some calls today for this to be a named system in the morning. While that certainly could happen, it would take a sustained burst of deep convection near the center overnight. Can that happen? Who knows but the current back ground state of the MDR is being surpressed by the MJO:



The top panel is for today, it shows a suppressed MJO state for the MDR (orange shaded areas). However, there is a KW pushing across the basin (blue contours) and it should be superimposed over 97L later this evening or tomorrow. That should help to counter the background state and give convection a nice boost. Current research suggest that the most favorable conditions for genesis occur around 2 or 3 days after passage of a KW. So that would put genesis occurring pretty close to the beginning of the 63W dead zone.

Another look at analysis of the KW shows it but maybe not as robust as the image above:



However, the timing is in agreement b/w the two different analysis tools. So that is a pretty strong signal for possibly more favorable conditions for genesis as the system nears 60-63W. Another thing, NOAA ESRL shows a lot of mid-level dry air out ahead and to the SW of the system. That could also slow development:



TL, DR - who knows but NHC has the odds at 90% over the next 5 days and recon should fly tomorrow
Posted by lsuman25
Erwinville
Member since Aug 2013
42856 posts
Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:18 pm to
I appreciate all you do in threads like these!
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:31 pm to
That may be one of the most technical post ever made on here. .01% of TD users understand any of that.















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Posted by Aspercel
Member since Jan 2009
114298 posts
Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:44 pm to
I usually just read his helpful summaries at the bottom and ignore all the pretty colors
Posted by fishfighter
RIP
Member since Apr 2008
40026 posts
Posted on 9/27/16 at 6:22 am to
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I usually just read his helpful summaries at the bottom and ignore all the pretty colors


And I though I was the only one that did that.
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
20620 posts
Posted on 9/27/16 at 7:56 am to
The westward trend in the models continued overnight with the GFS going from Bermuda yesterday to the East Coast overnight. There was a slight shift with the Euro package and the 00z Euro is still on the eastern side of that guidance but not as far as previous runs.

The 00z Euro EPS has this near the western tip of Cuba at D10 with the members being pretty tightly clustered between Louisiana and Florida.

00z Euro EPS @ D10:



The kicker trough that was coming in from the west was a lot less pronounced in the 00z Euro EPS run with the D10 steering pattern a bit more concerning:



Recon flies today and it will be interesting to see if they can close off the system with some west winds making it a large Pacific like depression or if its still an open wave.
Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
Member since Oct 2007
60283 posts
Posted on 9/27/16 at 8:14 am to
quote:

The kicker trough that was coming in from the west was a lot less pronounced in the 00z Euro EPS run with the D10 steering pattern a bit more concerning:


quote:

between Louisiana and Florida.



Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
125958 posts
Posted on 9/27/16 at 8:23 am to


WTF
Posted by ForeverLSU02
Albany
Member since Jun 2007
52350 posts
Posted on 9/27/16 at 8:23 am to


Crazy stuff

ETA: Damn you Cosmo
This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 8:24 am
Posted by ForeverLSU02
Albany
Member since Jun 2007
52350 posts
Posted on 9/27/16 at 8:24 am to
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