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re: State testing in the schools is out of control
Posted on 3/27/19 at 12:22 pm to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 3/27/19 at 12:22 pm to LSUFanHouston
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There is absolutely no reason for us to have high-pressure, high-stakes, long-arse tests for elementary and middle school age kids. Even for high school kids, it's too much.
Baw you think it gets easy as they get older? The stakes grow larger.
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Posted on 3/27/19 at 12:24 pm to LSUFanHouston
The crazy thing is that your kid takes the same test as the kids at scotlandville and valley park
And those kids don’t find the test hard. They must be smarter
And those kids don’t find the test hard. They must be smarter
Posted on 3/27/19 at 12:24 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Now, the CPA exam
Which part was hardest? Addition or subtraction?
Posted on 3/27/19 at 12:30 pm to Cump11b
I've coached and taught at a few public schools in south Louisiana, and am regularly disgusted seeing the number of students that graduate who are functionally illiterate.
Systematic social promotion runs rampant, often veiled by classroom teachers boosting a kid to that 66.5 mark. This is a direct result of districts and administrators being worried about their School Performance Score.
Many of these students are walking across the stage with virtually zero job skills, let alone the desire to actually be employed and show up at work everyday. The entire system has become a dog and pony show. Smoke and mirrors.
Fortunately, the administration at my current school prioritizes accountability (academic and social) - if they deserve to fail then so be it, and if they can't follow rules there are consequences.
With that being said, I'll still end up with about 20-25% of students that fail my class because they basically won't lift a finger and refuse to do anything. If I graded by the book and didn't account for work ethic, character, and other intangibles, it would probably be closer to 50%.
Systematic social promotion runs rampant, often veiled by classroom teachers boosting a kid to that 66.5 mark. This is a direct result of districts and administrators being worried about their School Performance Score.
Many of these students are walking across the stage with virtually zero job skills, let alone the desire to actually be employed and show up at work everyday. The entire system has become a dog and pony show. Smoke and mirrors.
Fortunately, the administration at my current school prioritizes accountability (academic and social) - if they deserve to fail then so be it, and if they can't follow rules there are consequences.
With that being said, I'll still end up with about 20-25% of students that fail my class because they basically won't lift a finger and refuse to do anything. If I graded by the book and didn't account for work ethic, character, and other intangibles, it would probably be closer to 50%.
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 3/27/19 at 12:30 pm to el Gaucho
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Which part was hardest? Addition or subtraction?
trying to fit my name in the box
Posted on 3/27/19 at 12:32 pm to LSUFanHouston
Most useful testing I was ever a part of in school was thru the FFA. We had these annual "competitions" every year at the regional at state level. The first part was a 50 question "standardized" test.
The second part however was field work in whatever specific area you were competing in (welding, electrical, surveying, etc). That's where you had to actually apply what you learned to a real world scenario.
I don't have a blue collar job (INB4 subtle brag) but much of what I learned by actually putting skills to work are things I still remember and use to this day.
I realize it'd be hard to apply the same process to math and English tests, but there certainly are better ways.
The second part however was field work in whatever specific area you were competing in (welding, electrical, surveying, etc). That's where you had to actually apply what you learned to a real world scenario.
I don't have a blue collar job (INB4 subtle brag) but much of what I learned by actually putting skills to work are things I still remember and use to this day.
I realize it'd be hard to apply the same process to math and English tests, but there certainly are better ways.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 12:35 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Remember, Louisiana got the abomination known as LEAP, because in the 90s, we had kids graduating valedictorian from schools with a 4.5 GPA and getting 16s on the ACT and needing college remedial classes.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 12:40 pm to LSUFanHouston
There nothing wrong with kids facing a bit of a difficult task. It'll help them in the long run. Oh, and, public school problems.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 12:52 pm to LSUFanHouston
If you think that's something, you should look at what they're doing with the alternate assessments, the test that they give "low functioning" kids that usually are at a pre-k to kindergarten level all the way through high school...it's being renamed the LEAP Connect and is becoming aligned with the LEAP 2025, in other words just a modified version of LEAP 2025...so you'll have students who can't recognize the letter a or count past 3 taking a test that assesses their knowledge of linear equations, slope intercept, and mole to mole stoichiometry
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:53 pm to Jake88
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There nothing wrong with kids facing a bit of a difficult task. It'll help them in the long run.
Agreed. No one can possibly think 15 hours of high stakes testing is age appropriate for a 5th grader.
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