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re: State of Washington school districts go in hard on discipline.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:33 am to Gravitiger
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:33 am to Gravitiger
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Again, why shouldn't educators be trained on those issues?
Because I believe in what Dr. King said, and these "concepts" at their core and in the way they are being implemented are the exact opposite of these ideals.
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But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.
We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again, we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny.
And they have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone. And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall always march ahead. We cannot turn back.
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I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.
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I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.
I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.
This post was edited on 3/24/22 at 10:36 am
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Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:34 am to adamau
You linked a conservative FM talk radio news site.
Who gets their news from FM radio?
Who gets their news from FM radio?
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:34 am to Centinel
That's not how proving a point works. You have to argue the affirmative first. There is literally a dictionary definition.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:36 am to adamau
I also believe in what Dr. King said.
How did what he said mean educators should not be trained in diversity, equity, and inclusion?
How did what he said mean educators should not be trained in diversity, equity, and inclusion?
This post was edited on 3/24/22 at 10:37 am
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:38 am to adamau
Literally constitutionally illegal. Sue. Sue early and often.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:41 am to Gravitiger
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There is literally a dictionary definition.
This is the definition: “ The state or quality of being just and fair.”
That’s pretty arbitrary. Some people take “just and fair” to mean equal outcomes.
There’s absolutely a reason equity has almost completely replaced equality everywhere you look. It’s because equality does not always mean equal outcomes. They want equal outcomes because they view that as fair. Given the focus of the school system on race/ethnicity, it’s very likely they’re going for this equal outcomes application
Also funny that this what you latch onto. Not the central part of the article which is punishment based on race/ethnicity
This post was edited on 3/24/22 at 10:42 am
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:42 am to Gravitiger
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That's not how proving a point works. You have to argue the affirmative first. There is literally a dictionary definition.
No, you said my definition is wrong. It's up to you to prove why my definition is not correct.
It's rather telling however that you are either unwilling or unable to define equity.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:43 am to Gravitiger
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How did what he said mean educators should not be trained in diversity, equity, and inclusion?
Because equity goes against the idea of equality.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:43 am to Centinel
quote:Based on...?
Because equity goes against the idea of equality.
You keep stating conclusions wothout the argumentative premises to back them up.
This post was edited on 3/24/22 at 10:46 am
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:44 am to Gravitiger
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ow did what he said mean educators should not be trained in diversity, equity, and inclusion?
If you have studied any of these "concepts" and especially their implementation they are the furthest things from the ideals that Dr. King fought for. Also, I have walked the walk in my life and have educated Thousands of students from differing socio-economic backgrounds and I would gladly allow them to share with you their thoughts on how they think I did, whether they felt valued and included and also whether they were held to the exact same standards as everyone else that I have ever educated and taught to know and believe that they could always do much more than simply what their background said they were.
These programs that make excuses for their issues, problems, bad behavior and struggles in the classroom rather than those that find ways to build their skills in those areas do not help these children, they hold them back and keep them impoverished for life both financially and emotionally and whether you realize it or not that's exactly what those in "power" want to happen these children, but they sell it all under an umbrella of kindness and compassion.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:44 am to Gravitiger
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Based on...?
How about you define equity first? It's odd how you refuse to do so.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:46 am to Centinel
quote:Again, there are multiple literal dictionary definitions out there for you. None of them say anything about race.
How about you define equity first? It's odd how you refuse to do so.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:49 am to Gravitiger
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Again, there are multiple literal dictionary definitions out there for you.
I know there are. But why can't you define it?
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:51 am to adamau
quote:No they aren't
If you have studied any of these "concepts" and especially their implementation they are the furthest things from the ideals that Dr. King fought for.
quote:Good for you. I'm guessing at some point you received some level of training or education on that.
Also, I have walked the walk in my life and have educated Thousands of students from differing socio-economic backgrounds and I would gladly allow them to share with you their thoughts on how they think I did, whether they felt valued and included and also whether they were held to the exact same standards as everyone else that I have ever educated and taught to know and believe that they could always do much more than simply what their background said they were.
quote:Agreed. That's also not the definition of equity or what Dr. King talked about.
These programs that make excuses for their issues, problems, bad behavior and struggles in the classroom rather than those that find ways to build their skills in those areas do not help these children, they hold them back and keep them impoverished for life both financially and emotionally and whether you realize it or not that's exactly what those in "power" want to happen these children, but they sell it all under an umbrella of kindness and compassion.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:52 am to Centinel
quote:Why can't you? I'm not the one arguing it means something it doesn't.
I know there are. But why can't you define it?
For your pleasure: Equity and Equality
This post was edited on 3/24/22 at 10:55 am
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:53 am to Gravitiger
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Agreed. That's also not the definition of equity
Then what is the definition of equity? You sure do seem to have a rather firm grasp of what equity is not, yet are unable to actually define what equity is.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:53 am to Gravitiger
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Why can't you? I'm not the one arguing it means something it doesn't.
You said my definition is wrong. It's up to you to prove that.
Again, why are you unwilling to define equity when you seem to be rather sure of what it is not?
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:54 am to Gravitiger
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Gravitiger
I see you're still up to your troll antics disguised as showing everyone how "enlightened" you are
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:55 am to Gravitiger
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Again, there are multiple literal dictionary definitions out there for you. None of them say anything about race.
Hmm, interesting. The usage notes for “Equity” from Merriam-Webster’s dictionary does in fact mention race, and even uses the infamous fence graphic in the last paragraph to support it.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:56 am to Box Geauxrilla
The dude is just straight up trolling
He's quite literally said nothing in this thread so far
He's quite literally said nothing in this thread so far
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