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re: Stanford study says masks are ineffective, have devastating health consequences
Posted on 4/18/21 at 11:18 am to dawgfan24348
Posted on 4/18/21 at 11:18 am to dawgfan24348
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One whole study huh? Yall will latch on anything just to prove a point
Oh the fricking irony of that coming from you. Unreal
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Posted on 4/18/21 at 11:21 am to tgrgrd00
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Ah yes, the discredit the source proggy tactic yet again.
Regressive tactics 101. No source is good enough unless it says what you want. Right?
I mean, if we’re talking actual science the best source to confirm this hypothesis would be a study that’s been replicated multiple times and peer-reviewed. That’s not what this is. If that upsets you, I’m not really sure what to tell you.
The OP posted a study that is a working hypothesis but is presenting it as something else. Nothing wrong with pointing that out.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 11:26 am to dawgfan24348
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One whole study huh? Yall will latch on anything just to prove a point
quote:
"Trust the science."
"No, not that science!"
Posted on 4/18/21 at 11:29 am to Eat Your Crow
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Surprised Stanford is allowed to release the results of such a study.
It's almost as if most people here have no idea how universities work, particularly on the research level, and think they're all controlled by a single hivemind.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 11:29 am to RollTide1987
This is a suspect "study." It appears that the author is taking the worst effects of things like hypoxemia and hypercapnia and linking them to masks with no real study into whether masks cause those conditions. If they were a problem, surgeons, many of whom spend time masked in surgeries that last 12 hours would be experiencing those issues. They aren't.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 11:30 am to BluegrassBelle
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I mean, if we’re talking actual science the best source to confirm this hypothesis would be a study that’s been replicated multiple times and peer-reviewed
Agreed. Now show me a study that says masks that everyone is wearing work while meeting the standard you have set for an acceptable study.
Are we accepting that masks work based on the same standard that masks don't work?
Posted on 4/18/21 at 11:32 am to RollTide1987
quote:In other news... Stanford university has been banned from all social media for being a far right-wing white supremacist hate group.
But Stanford researchers disagree
Posted on 4/18/21 at 11:32 am to tgrgrd00
quote:Exactly what is happening.
Are we accepting that masks work based on the same standard that masks don't work?
Posted on 4/18/21 at 11:32 am to RollTide1987
There are studies showing masks don’t cause hypoxia, so that alone makes me doubt their findings. But taking it further, is the OT really naive enough to believe that cloth on your face causes cancer and diabetes?
Posted on 4/18/21 at 11:33 am to FredBear
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Oh the fricking irony of that coming from you
He voted for bernie
Posted on 4/18/21 at 11:34 am to cwil177
Yeah, they went too far to be plausible.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 11:34 am to dawgfan24348
has everyone died in the states that lifted their COVID restrictions?
Posted on 4/18/21 at 11:37 am to Jake88
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with no real study into whether masks cause those conditions.
Below, the last data point, is the results of someone wearing a mask for 40 minutes then taking a blood test. The previous data points were taken with no mask.
It's only 1 person but it at least causes the conditions in 1 person. Maybe there are more?
Posted on 4/18/21 at 11:39 am to RollTide1987
quote:It is? Damn I'm supposed to fly out of town tonight. I hope the science of aerodynamics doesn't change mid flight.
Science is always evolvin
Posted on 4/18/21 at 11:42 am to tgrgrd00
As you said, one person. What condition were they in to begin? Again, surgeons wear those masks multiple hours per day when they have OR days.
From your story...
That is nothing, insignificant. So their O2 saturation dropped from a 99% to 98% and after standing for an hour performing MAJOR surgery their pulse increased by 5 beats per minute? That's nothing. Not even worth mentioning. I'd figure if the surgery took an hour their pulse would increase at least twice that.
From your story...
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The adverse physiological effects were confirmed in a study of 53 surgeons where surgical facemask were used during a major operation. After 60 min of facemask wearing the oxygen saturation dropped by more than 1% and heart rate increased by approximately five beats/min
That is nothing, insignificant. So their O2 saturation dropped from a 99% to 98% and after standing for an hour performing MAJOR surgery their pulse increased by 5 beats per minute? That's nothing. Not even worth mentioning. I'd figure if the surgery took an hour their pulse would increase at least twice that. This post was edited on 4/18/21 at 11:48 am
Posted on 4/18/21 at 11:46 am to cwil177
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is the OT really naive enough to believe that cloth on your face causes cancer and diabetes?
Everything causes cancer, baw. If it doesn't cause cancer today....just wait.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 11:46 am to Smeg
quote:LINK
Despite its official-looking source and format, this article appeared in the journal Medical Hypotheses. This journal’s purpose (according to the publisher) "is to publish interesting theoretical papers.” They go on to say that the journal will “consider radical, speculative and non-mainstream scientific ideas provided they are coherently expressed.” When you search for Medical Hypotheses on the internet, you’ll find that it is not conventionally peer-reviewed (reviewed and fact-checked by a team of experts in the field to avoid publishing misinformation). While Medical Hypotheses does have its own review system, it is “in accordance with the aims and scope of the journal, which is to publish radical new ideas” according to the editor-in-chief—meaning that it publishes work that includes plausible conjecture rather than provable fact.
This study isn’t peer reviewed. It’s in a “journal” that publishes conjecture and “radical new ideas.” But y’all eat this shite up because it “confirms” muh masks are bad.
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The part of the article copied in the Facebook post lists 12 physiological effects as being caused by wearing a face mask. They include conditions such as hypoxemia and hypercapnia, as well as more general effects such as shortness of breath, "toxicity" and "increased muscle tension." "This is a list of generally discredited hypotheses that have been tested and disproved," said Benjamin Neuman, biology professor at Texas A&M University and chief viologist of the university’s Global Health Research Complex. "This seems to be a piece of deceptive writing from what appears to be a non-expert. It isn't science."
LINK
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"Trust the science." "No, not that science!"
This isn’t science. It’s conjecture. It’s presenting debunked ideas as unarguable fact. Leave this shite for the Karens on Facebook to like and share.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 11:47 am to cwil177
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There are studies showing masks don’t cause hypoxia
Are there?
I've seen media reports and "fact checks" that say studies have been done but the only actual studies I can find say the opposite.
Results. Our study revealed a decrease in the oxygen saturation of arterial pulsations (SpO2) and a slight increase in pulse rates compared to preoperative values in all surgeon groups. The decrease was more prominent in the surgeons aged over 35.
Conclusions. Considering our findings, pulse rates
of the surgeon's increase and SpO2
decrease after the
first hour. This early change in SpO2
may be either due to the facial mask or the operational stress. Since a very
small decrease in saturation at this level, reflects a large decrease in PaO2, our findings may have a clinical value for the health workers and the surgeons.
LINK
Posted on 4/18/21 at 11:50 am to tgrgrd00
It is a garbage "study." I'm no huge mask proponent, but stuff like this will only lead our side to be readily dismissed.
quote:This was totally insignificant as I noted in a previous post.
Conclusions. Considering our findings, pulse rates
of the surgeon's increase and SpO2
decrease after the
first hour
This post was edited on 4/18/21 at 11:51 am
Posted on 4/18/21 at 11:50 am to cwil177
All I know is that we are grappling with a pandemic caused by china that started in china that was covered up by china that is still being covered up by china. However, we are now being saved by boxes of cheap, flimsy masks that were made in.....china.
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