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re: St Louis: Unarmed teen shot and killed by police, riot in progress.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:12 pm to the808bass
Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:12 pm to the808bass
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Logging workers: 127.8
logs and machinery are dangerous
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Fishermen: 117.0
The ocean is a dangerous place
I could go on and on about each occupation...how many have desk jobs and don't work in the field? we know cops have a high number that have desk type jobs.
The real question though is of the jobs you listed how many of them are getting shot to death a year?
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Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:17 pm to the808bass
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So if I'm not supposed to be scared police based on them only shooting 400 or 600 people, then police have nothing to fear from civilians who only kill about 50 of them every year.
Your comparisons are making even less sense, but keep up the good work.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:17 pm to Topwater Trout
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The real question though is of the jobs you listed how many of them are getting shot to death a year?
If you want to keep moving the goalposts, feel free. Police Unions have done a great job convincing people that policing is super dangerous (just like teachers unions have done a great job convincing us smaller class sizes matter). It's not quite as dangerous as it's perceived to be. Keep arguing with the facts.
This post was edited on 8/21/14 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:19 pm to Langston
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Your comparisons are making even less sense, but keep up the good work.
You haven't shown any ability to critically approach a problem yet in Lo, these 800 some odd pages. I don't expect you to start now.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:22 pm to the808bass
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You haven't shown any ability to critically approach a problem yet in Lo, these 800 some odd pages. I don't expect you to start now
Critically approach a problem when you want to compare criminals getting shot to cops getting shot.
Introduce a logical problem and I will be glad to, but I wasted a lot of energy going back and forth with you on the Dr. payment issue and you were just making shite up as you went. Kinda takes the fun out of it. You aren't logical in any of your comparisons and wonder why everyone tells you that you're wrong. Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:25 pm to Langston
BTW, I'm still waiting on you back up your stance on why the second shooting circumstances was like the Brown shooting. You know, the one where the robber was armed, the shooting was recorded, etc...
But just keep acting like the problem from this last week has been the FPD and using irrational thoughts to support. We don't mind.
But just keep acting like the problem from this last week has been the FPD and using irrational thoughts to support. We don't mind.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:26 pm to the808bass
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If you want to keep moving the goalposts,
I picked apart your numbers of 4-600 civilians being killed by police and 50 police getting killed each year on the job and you came back with other deadly professions. That is moving the goalposts.
Maybe i should have asked how many people are murdered each year by THUG POS and compared that too how many the police kill each year. Of the 4-600 how many are without a doubt justified...that number should be excluded from the numbers to begin with.
This post was edited on 8/21/14 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:30 pm to Topwater Trout
We would take that advice but we history has shown us that the good ones get lumped in to often.
The good ones are constantly reminded that they are second class citizens as well in economics, education, employment, healthcare, law, etc.
The problem is that being a good black quite doesn't cut it in terms of equal treatment and justice. When white America finally acknolwledges that, I think we will take a step forward. Black America has to clean up their mess and their ills, but the rest of the country is excused from the mess they helped start create
The good ones are constantly reminded that they are second class citizens as well in economics, education, employment, healthcare, law, etc.
The problem is that being a good black quite doesn't cut it in terms of equal treatment and justice. When white America finally acknolwledges that, I think we will take a step forward. Black America has to clean up their mess and their ills, but the rest of the country is excused from the mess they helped start create
Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:31 pm to the808bass
Here are occupations more dangerous than being a police officer. Number of deaths per 100,000 employed: Logging workers: 127.8 Fishermen: 117.0 Aircraft pilots: 53.4 Roofers: 40.5 Garbage collectors: 36.8 Electrical power line installation/repair: 29.8 Truck drivers: 22.8 Oil and gas extraction: 21.9 Farmers and ranchers: 21.3 Construction workers:
Ok. If not all, the large majority of these jobs involve people that would make errors that could/ would attribute to their own injury/ death. How many of these jobs involve interaction with people that would intentionally cause harm to the employee of that said profession? I'm sure it's possible, just no where near as likely.
Ok. If not all, the large majority of these jobs involve people that would make errors that could/ would attribute to their own injury/ death. How many of these jobs involve interaction with people that would intentionally cause harm to the employee of that said profession? I'm sure it's possible, just no where near as likely.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:47 pm to StrongSafety
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We would take that advice but we history has shown us that the good ones get lumped in to often.
Sorry but i think the attitude is what causes more problems than skin color. Many seem mad almost militant against authority.
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The good ones are constantly reminded that they are second class citizens as well in economics, education, employment, healthcare, law, etc.
I don't know anyone that thinks this way. Now if we are talking about the ones who are a burden on taxpayers of course they do but those aren't the good ones and it doesn't matter what color someone is that lives off the government. More whites do this than blacks.
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The problem is that being a good black quite doesn't cut it in terms of equal treatment and justice.
20 yrs ago I was a runner for a lawfirm. I did a lot of errands for a very well respected elderly black attorney. If I had audio tape of our conversations you would think he was a racist white man. He also was a law professor at Southern. He was so tired of hearing about the struggle of the young black people. He said these dumbasses have no idea what a struggle is...try getting a law degree in the 50's as a black man. I think things have gotten worse in terms of attitudes in the last 20 years. I don't think white people can change those attitudes.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:55 pm to Topwater Trout
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I picked apart your numbers of 4-600 civilians being killed by police and 50 police getting killed each year on the job and you came back with other deadly professions. That is moving the goalposts.
Actually, someone asked what other profession loses 50 people a year. So I cited the stats I could find which were relevant. That's responding to a request for information, not moving the goalposts.
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Maybe i should have asked how many people are murdered each year by THUG POS and compared that too how many the police kill each year. Of the 4-600 how many are without a doubt justified...that number should be excluded from the numbers to begin with.
Would it surprise you that almost as many people are killed by police while holding a pellet/BB gun every year as the entire number of police are shot in a year?
How many pets are shot by police in a year? Animal-abuse activists estimate one pet is killed by police every 98 minutes.
How many instances of probable cause are invented a day? How many times is a taser deployed? How many times does a policeman use excessive force?
Keep pretending that the only people that are asking these questions are cop haters. They're not.
This post was edited on 8/21/14 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:56 pm to Topwater Trout
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I did a lot of errands for a very well respected elderly black attorney. If I had audio tape of our conversations you would think he was a racist white man. He also was a law professor at Southern. He was so tired of hearing about the struggle of the young black people. He said these dumbasses have no idea what a struggle is..
Not surprising...
Posted on 8/21/14 at 4:01 pm to the808bass
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Actually, someone asked what other profession loses 50 people a year. So I cited the stats I could find which were relevant. That's responding to a request for information, not moving the goalposts.
People should have more fear of civilians than cops....civilians are killing way more people right?
Posted on 8/21/14 at 4:01 pm to Topwater Trout
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Sorry but i think the attitude is what causes more problems than skin color. Many seem mad almost militant against authority.
It's "militant" because they have been begging for equal justice and treatment for over 300 years and still have not received it. Is that asking for too much? Is it really on them, when they don't make the laws. I'm not trying to play the blame game, but I'm being honest.
It's not that you don't know anyone that thinks like that, it's that seeminlglt every forum of life shows a disparity between black Americans and other groups. This is where we disagree, I don't think white America can wash their hands of what they laid the frameworks for but I do think black Americans iultimately must strive for more. The blueprint is there but we need justice and equal treatment under the law.
That falls on white America. Y'all make the laws and enforce them
Posted on 8/21/14 at 4:02 pm to StrongSafety
Not asking for $, we're asking for justice and fair treatment. Is it too much to ask for?
Posted on 8/21/14 at 4:02 pm to 805tiger
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Not surprising...
That he was so hard on the black youth?
Posted on 8/21/14 at 4:03 pm to Langston
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Critically approach a problem when you want to compare criminals getting shot to cops getting shot. Introduce a logical problem and I will be glad to, but I wasted a lot of energy going back and forth with you on the Dr. payment issue and you were just making shite up as you went. Kinda takes the fun out of it. You aren't logical in any of your comparisons and wonder why everyone tells you that you're wrong.
We had roughly three posts each on the Dr/payment issue. You said I was "way wrong" but offered nothing of substance. If that strained your brain, put some ice on it and let it rest.
Cops aren't only shooting criminals. That's kinda the point of the discussion.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 4:04 pm to StrongSafety
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The problem is that being a good black quite doesn't cut it in terms of equal treatment and justice.
bullshite.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 4:04 pm to Topwater Trout
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That he was so hard on the black youth?
That he said what you posted.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 4:04 pm to Topwater Trout
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People should have more fear of civilians than cops....civilians are killing way more people right?
If that's how you think, you should. I made the argument I did to point out the absurdity of the original argument. If you want to claim the original argument was incorrect and agree with me, you can. It's probably not the result you're aiming for.
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