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re: Spin off service thread - military service or bust?
Posted on 4/7/16 at 10:04 pm to Wolfhound45
Posted on 4/7/16 at 10:04 pm to Wolfhound45
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1981 graduate of the Sand Hill School for Boys and Other Miscreant Youths. Served as an 11B from 81-88 (SSG 11B3O). Got an Army ROTC scholarship and the rest is history.
Good deal. Glad it all worked out for you. Your time ended right when mine started. I enlisted in May 1988 as first a 19Delta then went to MOSQ school for 19 Kilo right after that. Served as 19K for the rest of my enlistment which was up in 92. After that I came home and joined the guard. Did that until Clinton's cutbacks first made us transition to artillery (M109s) and then Chemical. Soon as word came out we were going Chemical, I knew it was time to get out. Thankfully my reenlistment time was coming up.
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Posted on 4/7/16 at 10:07 pm to Wolfhound45
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Maneuver Center of Excellence
Oh lord. Really? They don't even call it the "US Army Armor School" anymore?
Posted on 4/7/16 at 10:27 pm to Darth_Vader
Hate to break it to you bro, but that may (may) be a name of a school under the MCOE, but it is no longer a stand alone school. Across the Army we have gone to the COE model. We now have all medical functions (regardless as to branch of service with few exceptions) at JBSA-Fort Sam Houston. It is the way of the future.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 10:30 pm to CharlesLSU
This will get lost in the shuffle, but I joined because I had a child in high shool... I could have lived off the government while attending college (had an academic scholarship), but felt like the military was the best thing at the time.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:05 pm to CharlesLSU
Study after study has shown that the demographics of military personnel mirrors pretty closely that of civilian society. Yet, the myth of the soldier joining out of desperation lives on among the stupid.
In other words, Don't be so fricking stupid.
In other words, Don't be so fricking stupid.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:24 pm to Havoc
How dare you bring logic to this
Posted on 4/8/16 at 5:26 am to Ace Midnight
Glad you got it. I really didn't know.......99% of civilians don't. They just assume/judge.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 5:45 am to IceTiger
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Posted on 4/8/16 at 5:47 am to IceTiger
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Regardless of why someone raises their hand, be it foolish decision or reckless abandon or even True patriotism, there is an experience and burden that is only shared by few. I deem them, from the lowliest dirt bag private to greatest general, worthy of some acknowledgement for putting themselves out there for their fellow Americans, knowing that the cost could be everything.
Well said !!
Posted on 4/8/16 at 5:55 am to CharlesLSU
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Meaning, if you don't join, you spiral into complete hell.
High school football teammate of mine blew his head off with a shotgun muffling the noise with a sock. Mom didn't find him til next day. Was horrific.
All he wanted to do was serve his country , but couldn't b/c pissed THC.
Such utter bullshite.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 6:08 am to AjaxFury
I knew I was going in before finishing High school. Didn't have to, but wanted to. I finished high school at 17, mid term. Had to have my Mom and Dad to sign the papers for me to join. That was way back in 1975. I had two other brothers that were serving already at that time. After I did my tour, got out and when to school at LSU.
Would I do it again? Hell yes.
Would I do it again? Hell yes.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 6:09 am to CharlesLSU
I joined the army 1980's so it wasn't for the pay which sucked. Back then you didn't join for the pay which again sucked!
It was easier to do it at 17 yrs old and get it over with while being in good shape and having nothing to lose.
Had fun, traveled overseas, and thank goodness I didn't join the navy like the village people encouraged people to do.
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I did it to help pay for college.
I also followed in my great grandfather Spanish American war, grandfather WW l , and fathers was at the start of Vietnam footsteps.
It was easier to do it at 17 yrs old and get it over with while being in good shape and having nothing to lose.
Had fun, traveled overseas, and thank goodness I didn't join the navy like the village people encouraged people to do.
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I did it to help pay for college.
I also followed in my great grandfather Spanish American war, grandfather WW l , and fathers was at the start of Vietnam footsteps.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 6:10 am to CharlesLSU
HBO did a documentary on military recruiting a while back and it was based out of Houma. I think they followed 3 kids, maybe more, but 3 stick out. Was a good cross section.
You had the kid who was smart and a good athelete. Came from a more together family, but maybe not brain surgeons. Borderline white/blue collar but had their shite together. He became a Ranger.
Next kid came from a little lower end middle class family. You could tell college probably want in the cards, but he seemed like a good kid and he was very interested in service from early on. I think he did well in boot camp and is the type to probably do a few more years than minimum, and then become a cop or something. Basically he wanted it and it appeared to help him become a better member of society. Win win.
The last was a trashy girl from a down the bayou broken family. She joined, but it was one of those things where you hoped it turned her life for the better. It didnt. She went AWOL. She complained that the military wasn't what she thought it would be and she wanted "to learn about art and history and stuff". As if she could ever go to college with the way she'd led her life.
I think they hit a lot of the people that join with those 3 groups. Not all, but a good cross section. And not all results are the same. Some of the first group just become normal military personnel. Some of the second become special forces. Some of the 3rd do turn their life around. Can't necessarily say it's cut and dry.
You had the kid who was smart and a good athelete. Came from a more together family, but maybe not brain surgeons. Borderline white/blue collar but had their shite together. He became a Ranger.
Next kid came from a little lower end middle class family. You could tell college probably want in the cards, but he seemed like a good kid and he was very interested in service from early on. I think he did well in boot camp and is the type to probably do a few more years than minimum, and then become a cop or something. Basically he wanted it and it appeared to help him become a better member of society. Win win.
The last was a trashy girl from a down the bayou broken family. She joined, but it was one of those things where you hoped it turned her life for the better. It didnt. She went AWOL. She complained that the military wasn't what she thought it would be and she wanted "to learn about art and history and stuff". As if she could ever go to college with the way she'd led her life.
I think they hit a lot of the people that join with those 3 groups. Not all, but a good cross section. And not all results are the same. Some of the first group just become normal military personnel. Some of the second become special forces. Some of the 3rd do turn their life around. Can't necessarily say it's cut and dry.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 6:10 am to AjaxFury
Getting rejected due to THC is not why he committed suicide. A serious psychological situation is........it's likely a very good thing he was not allowed to be enlisted being unstable.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 6:54 am to CharlesLSU
I joined in 2001 been getting out ever since.
It can suck at times but there is nothing like it. Joined because I was bored and now it's a career. Hit golf balls over the Tigris off the roof of King Faisals old palace in Baghdad, living in Korea right now, met some of the coolest (and fricked up) people I could imagine.
Best part is now that I've been in a while every time I move there is someone I have served with before to catch up with drink beer and ride motorcycles.
It can suck at times but there is nothing like it. Joined because I was bored and now it's a career. Hit golf balls over the Tigris off the roof of King Faisals old palace in Baghdad, living in Korea right now, met some of the coolest (and fricked up) people I could imagine.
Best part is now that I've been in a while every time I move there is someone I have served with before to catch up with drink beer and ride motorcycles.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 6:59 am to CharlesLSU
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Is there a certain percentage of service people who joined only because there was nothing left and it was actually a life saver?
Probably but I'm betting it's a very small %.
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If so, is this faction worthy of the praise those who truly volunteered for God and Country get?
If they serve with honor yes they do.
Most of us joined because:
1 - we're patriotic
2 - learn a trade or get a degree
3 - we want to legally kill people
Posted on 4/8/16 at 7:09 am to CharlesLSU
I have the possibility of taking my family thru 100 years of military aviation service, if I stay in a while longer. That's a family tradition of which I'm proud to be a part.
The military has cooler planes than I can afford, so unless I won the lotto as a kid, I was joining to slip the surly bonds in the coolest stuff taxpayer money could buy.
Are there turds in the military? Sure, there's no debate. Are there true patriots, among society's best and brightest, who still answer the call to serve? Absolutely, and it's a pleasure to serve along side of them.
The military has cooler planes than I can afford, so unless I won the lotto as a kid, I was joining to slip the surly bonds in the coolest stuff taxpayer money could buy.
Are there turds in the military? Sure, there's no debate. Are there true patriots, among society's best and brightest, who still answer the call to serve? Absolutely, and it's a pleasure to serve along side of them.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 7:30 am to CharlesLSU
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Is there a certain percentage of service people who joined only because there was nothing left and it was actually a life saver?
yes...there is...but I will give you this nugget...I served with a couple of those types and you know what?...some of them were the best sailors I ever served with...the military gave them purpose and pulled out the best in them...gave them a forum and a platform in which to excel...some damn fine folks that were spiraling out of control early, but got their shite worked out in the military...and are very patriotic BECAUSE of it...
I spoke with recruiters from all different branches in HS...I wanted to do it but was worried about giving up my freedom as I knew it would be something greater than myself...went to college...did well...but got a girl pregnant back at home...I was 19....nobody to bail me out...so I did what I knew I was supposed to do all along and used it as a way to support my kid and it has been great...3rd best decision I ever made...
I have been all over the world and met some cool arse people and helped defend this nation...got my degree and learned a trade...so I joined for ALL the reasons...but it doesn't really matter why...I did it...and civilians at home sitting behind their computer screens talking trash like the Velvet fellow...can eat a bag of dicks...man up or shut the frick up...If you cant get behind our troops...get in front of them
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