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Spin off service thread - military service or bust?
Posted on 4/7/16 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 8:32 pm
I am genuinely asking.....not flaming our service people at all.
Is there a certain percentage of service people who joined only because there was nothing left and it was actually a life saver?
Meaning, if you don't join, you spiral into complete hell.
If so, is this faction worthy of the praise those who truly volunteered for God and Country get?
Is there a certain percentage of service people who joined only because there was nothing left and it was actually a life saver?
Meaning, if you don't join, you spiral into complete hell.
If so, is this faction worthy of the praise those who truly volunteered for God and Country get?
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Posted on 4/7/16 at 8:35 pm to CharlesLSU
I can't tell you why others joined, but I can tell you why I joined...
I was in college in Lafayette, fricked around for a semester, thought about the military because i knew i needed to get my shite together and figured they could help me do it. 9/11 was still fairly fresh, so I also wanted to do some stuff for our country give something back.
It worked, got a lot of college credits while I was in, used GI bill to finish up after I got out. Did 6 years instead of 4 because the program I was in required a 6 minimum.
So no, I would have survived and been fine if I didnt join, but it got me on track quicker than I would have otherwise and I got to serve my country, which I think is pretty neat and not that many people do it.
eta: all of the dumbest people I have ever met in my life, I met in the military. its crazy how dumb some people are! they literally have no other option, a couple guys in boot camp had to get waivers just to join because their asvab scores were so low
I was in college in Lafayette, fricked around for a semester, thought about the military because i knew i needed to get my shite together and figured they could help me do it. 9/11 was still fairly fresh, so I also wanted to do some stuff for our country give something back.
It worked, got a lot of college credits while I was in, used GI bill to finish up after I got out. Did 6 years instead of 4 because the program I was in required a 6 minimum.
So no, I would have survived and been fine if I didnt join, but it got me on track quicker than I would have otherwise and I got to serve my country, which I think is pretty neat and not that many people do it.
eta: all of the dumbest people I have ever met in my life, I met in the military. its crazy how dumb some people are! they literally have no other option, a couple guys in boot camp had to get waivers just to join because their asvab scores were so low
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 8:39 pm to CharlesLSU
Some people join because they have nothing else
Some join to get back on track and turn themselves around
Some join because they want to serve our country
Most of the people joining because of 3, aren't fricking around and going to the Navy Seals though
Some join to get back on track and turn themselves around
Some join because they want to serve our country
Most of the people joining because of 3, aren't fricking around and going to the Navy Seals though
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 8:40 pm to CharlesLSU
Definitely, but I'd imagine it's smaller than people think, at least in line units. Not sure about support units.
They also tend to be some of the most aggressive/craziest/best soldiers you get.
They also tend to be some of the most aggressive/craziest/best soldiers you get.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 8:40 pm to CharlesLSU
It's 2016. The only people joining the military today are trash.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 8:41 pm to CharlesLSU
quote:
Is there a certain percentage of service people who joined only because there was nothing left and it was actually a life saver?
Yes. Some dredges of society joint the military. Some go work a JiffyLube.
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If so, is this faction worthy of the praise those who truly volunteered for God and Country get?
No.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 8:42 pm to CharlesLSU
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If so, is this faction worthy of the praise those who truly volunteered for God and Country get?
Regardless of why someone raises their hand, be it foolish decision or reckless abandon or even True patriotism, there is an experience and burden that is only shared by few.
I deem them, from the lowliest dirt bag private to greatest general, worthy of some acknowledgement for putting themselves out there for their fellow Americans, knowing that the cost could be everything.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 8:42 pm to CharlesLSU
I can't speak for anyone else. It has been an honor to serve my country under difficult circumstances. It has been an honor to serve with some of the finest men and women you would ever want to meet.
No offense to the civilians out there, but y'all really cannot hold a candle to my brothers and sisters in arms. Sure, like any population there are dirtbags and psychos who end up in uniform, too. But I assure you the percentages are way lower than among civilians. Because stress doesn't change people - it unmasks them. We figure it out and sooner, rather than later.
So, I'm not taking offense at your post, but frankly, you admit
.so I understand it is coming from a place of reasonably admitted ignorance.
No offense to the civilians out there, but y'all really cannot hold a candle to my brothers and sisters in arms. Sure, like any population there are dirtbags and psychos who end up in uniform, too. But I assure you the percentages are way lower than among civilians. Because stress doesn't change people - it unmasks them. We figure it out and sooner, rather than later.
So, I'm not taking offense at your post, but frankly, you admit
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genuinely asking
.so I understand it is coming from a place of reasonably admitted ignorance.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 8:44 pm to CharlesLSU
Why does everything have to be all or nothing? Some military are good people who do it for good reasons, some are scumbags who couldn't do shite else and most are in between.
Not all of them deserve accolades but all of them signed up for something that most people didn't. That's why you thank then for their service if you feel so inclined, and the military has a great system of handing out medals to those who deserve more.
No need to categorize them all any further.
Eta sorry for the heavy-handed peachy post, I've been drinking.
Not all of them deserve accolades but all of them signed up for something that most people didn't. That's why you thank then for their service if you feel so inclined, and the military has a great system of handing out medals to those who deserve more.
No need to categorize them all any further.
Eta sorry for the heavy-handed peachy post, I've been drinking.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 8:44 pm to Blue Velvet
Agree. I'm a piece of shite. I only joined so I could get shot in the face and better society.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 8:45 pm to CharlesLSU
Military service was a family tradition, namely the Army. In fact one of the main reasons I chose 19Kilo (tanker) as my MOS was because my grandfather was a tanker during WWII.
But actually, I had the option to go to college. But to be honest, I'd planned on joining the army since I was a kid. When it came time to enlist, I never hesitated.
But actually, I had the option to go to college. But to be honest, I'd planned on joining the army since I was a kid. When it came time to enlist, I never hesitated.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 8:47 pm to CharlesLSU
Does it matter why they joined?
Posted on 4/7/16 at 8:48 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
quote:And college money breh. Don't forget that.
I only joined so I could get shot in the face and better society.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 8:53 pm to CharlesLSU
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If so, is this faction worthy of the praise those who truly volunteered for God and Country get?
I think this is overblown regardless. It's a job. These people are paid. Nowadays our military is a professional force. They aren't volunteers any more than anyone else who has a job. It's a respectable job. But it's still just a job. As with anything, idealism doesn't get you very far in this world. You call those people naive.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 8:57 pm to CharlesLSU
It's a voluntary enlistment, regardless of why, they signed the blank check. Retarted or not, they served, those who didn't need to be thankful.
It's truly sad how low the percentages are of 18 year olds enlisting is. This is your country do what you can every day for it regardless of service and be proud to be an American.
It's truly sad how low the percentages are of 18 year olds enlisting is. This is your country do what you can every day for it regardless of service and be proud to be an American.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 8:59 pm to CharlesLSU
Tomorrow will be my 24th anniversary of the day I left for basic training. I did 20 years on active duty in the Army, I retired on April 30th 2012.
In about 10th grade I knew I was going to join. Being from Marrero and no interest in college or working in a shipyard or going offshore I used it as a way to get away.
I don't ask for praise and don't care what anyone thinks of me. I did it for me and it worked out. Without a doubt the best decision I've made and would do it again exactly the same way if I had to.
In about 10th grade I knew I was going to join. Being from Marrero and no interest in college or working in a shipyard or going offshore I used it as a way to get away.
I don't ask for praise and don't care what anyone thinks of me. I did it for me and it worked out. Without a doubt the best decision I've made and would do it again exactly the same way if I had to.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 9:13 pm to momentoftruth87
quote:
It's truly sad how low the percentages are of 18 year olds enlisting is. This is your country do what you can every day for it regardless of service and be proud to be an American.
I am not sure why you think this: it is really difficult to get into the services right now - much moreso than it has been in a long time.
The service is downsizing, the labor market for those under 30 is still not very strong, and the military is being very picky with whom they choose.
To get in as an OCS candidate, you basically have to have a perfect resume (top tier university, perfectly clean record, high GPA, very high physical fitness scores, etc, etc) right now.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 9:18 pm to AbuTheMonkey
I understand what you're saying but you're not getting what I'm saying.
I was a recruiter for the Marines, which is actually the "hardest" branch to qualify for. :inbeforesoandsobranchisharder:
Kids and parents are opting out their 17/18 year olds like its cool to be on call lists/asvabs. It's truly disgusting I believe the statistic is like 8% of 18-28 year olds are actually enlisting now compared to the percentages in the higher teens in other decades/times of service/conflict.
I was a recruiter for the Marines, which is actually the "hardest" branch to qualify for. :inbeforesoandsobranchisharder:
Kids and parents are opting out their 17/18 year olds like its cool to be on call lists/asvabs. It's truly disgusting I believe the statistic is like 8% of 18-28 year olds are actually enlisting now compared to the percentages in the higher teens in other decades/times of service/conflict.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 9:19 pm to CharlesLSU
My cousin was a compulsive gambler and used the signing bonus to pay off some bad people.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 9:19 pm to CharlesLSU
quote:
Is there a certain percentage of service people who joined only because there was nothing left and it was actually a life saver?
Yes. 90%.
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