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SpaceX vs. Blue Origin - Who will win???
Posted on 3/5/21 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 3/5/21 at 1:34 pm
Not that there has to be a winner, we have GM/Ford, IOS/Droid, Mac/PC, etc.
SpaceX is on a roll and being very public. They are embracing being rocket cowboys in South Texas. Failure is good.
Blue Origin is taking the approach of secrecy or acting like a traditional rocket developer. Public failure is bad.
New Glenn sounds pretty awesome from Blue Origin, but you see no progress and they have yet to even launch an orbital rocket.
SpaceX Falcon has become a poster child for US rocket launches and Starship is launching a new test every month.
The media still seem to have a thing for Bezos and predict they are the eventual winner, many times using the Tortoise and the Hare story.
New Glenn - nothing but drawings
Starship
Physical so far
proposed completion
SpaceX is on a roll and being very public. They are embracing being rocket cowboys in South Texas. Failure is good.
Blue Origin is taking the approach of secrecy or acting like a traditional rocket developer. Public failure is bad.
New Glenn sounds pretty awesome from Blue Origin, but you see no progress and they have yet to even launch an orbital rocket.
SpaceX Falcon has become a poster child for US rocket launches and Starship is launching a new test every month.
The media still seem to have a thing for Bezos and predict they are the eventual winner, many times using the Tortoise and the Hare story.
New Glenn - nothing but drawings
Starship
Physical so far
proposed completion
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Posted on 3/5/21 at 1:36 pm to DarthRebel
So far I'd say SpaceX is VHS and Blue Origin is BetaMax.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 1:37 pm to DarthRebel
Cannot wait till that thing is tested
Posted on 3/5/21 at 1:46 pm to DarthRebel
Elon is a superstar right now. He could revive project Orion which used the theory of nuclear pulse propulsion(lots of nuke explosions), and probably get approval.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 1:47 pm to DarthRebel
Seems like it's no contest to me.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 1:47 pm to LSUBoo
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So far I'd say SpaceX is VHS and Blue Origin is BetaMax.
It seems that way. NASA awarded BO with the moon lander contract, but BO also lost funding on another contract for US government (USAF) for failure to have a orbital rocket. Bezos is selling off $1Billion a year of Amazon stock to support Blue Origin since they are not bringing in external revenue.
SpaceX seems to be winning the GOV contracts now, but Musk is hoping for StarLink to truly support SpaceX. SpaceX was close to being out of money until NASA gave them a Christmas surprise a few years back.
The talking heads keep stating BO is backed by the Richest man in the world, so there. It is like Musk is poor I guess
Posted on 3/5/21 at 1:48 pm to LSUBoo
quote:SpaceX is like Tesla: They have a viable product that is already in use now.
So far I'd say SpaceX is VHS and Blue Origin is BetaMax.
Blue Origin is like the countless other EV startups: They have a promising concept, but it's just that, a concept.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 1:50 pm to biohzrd
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used the theory of nuclear pulse propulsion
Epstein Drive FTW!
Posted on 3/5/21 at 1:57 pm to YumYum Sauce
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Epstein Drive FTW!
It's certainly not going to kill itself.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 2:00 pm to DarthRebel
Why don’t the muh global warming alarmist complaining about all these launches and their impact on the atmosphere?
Posted on 3/5/21 at 2:02 pm to YumYum Sauce
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Epstein Drive FTW!
True
If we could get constant 1G acceleration, the solar system would be ours.
quote:
The Moon / Luna:
Closest to Earth (Supermoon): 356,577 km
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, no deceleration): 2h 22m 12s
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, decelerating halfway): 3h 20m 24s
Mercury:
Closest to Earth: 77.3 million km
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, no deceleration): 1d 10h 52m 48s
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, decelerating halfway): 2d 1h 19m 12s
Venus:
Closest to Earth: 40 million km
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, no deceleration): 1d 1h 5m 2s
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, decelerating halfway): 1d 11h 28m 48s
Mars:
Closest to Earth: 65 million km
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, no deceleration): 1d 7h 58m 5s
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, decelerating halfway): 1d 21h 13m 1s
Jupiter:
Closest to Earth: 588 million km
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, no deceleration): 4d 0h 11m 2s
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, decelerating halfway): 5d 16h 2m 2s
Saturn:
Closest to Earth: 1.2 billion km
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, no deceleration): 5d 17h 25m 1s
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, decelerating halfway): 8d 2h 20m 24s
Uranus:
Closest to Earth: 2.57 billion km
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, no deceleration): 8d 9h 6m 0s
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, decelerating halfway): 11d 20h 24m 0s
Neptune:
Closest to Earth: 4.3 billion km
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, no deceleration): 10d 20h 7m 48s
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, decelerating halfway): 15d 7h 52m 48s
Pluto:
Closest to Earth: 4.28 billion km
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, no deceleration): 10d 19h 31m 12s
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, decelerating halfway): 15d 7h 1m 12s
Posted on 3/5/21 at 2:07 pm to hottub
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Why don’t the muh global warming alarmist complaining about all these launches and their impact on the atmosphere?
They burn methane, which is good
Posted on 3/5/21 at 2:11 pm to DarthRebel
Unrelated to topic, but didn’t SpaceX make a commitment to use Huntsville airport in some capacity as part of their future operations?
Posted on 3/5/21 at 2:12 pm to Jor Jor The Dinosaur
What is BO's angle over SpaceX?
Posted on 3/5/21 at 2:36 pm to DarthRebel
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They burn methane, which is good
All of it ends up as that nasty CO2.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 2:40 pm to crazyLSUstudent
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What is BO's angle over SpaceX?
Blue Origin is trying to start with Space tourism. Their New Shepard rocket (the only working one they have) will take humans to the edge of space and back. $200,000+ for about a 11-15 minute experience. They competing against Virgin Atlantic on this and two completely different approaches.
The New Glenn will be a super heavy launch rocket based around moon destinations. Bezos wants to go there to get resources to make Earth better. He has a weirder long term vision of humans and animals living in space stations.
They are also following SpaceX and Starlink now with their Kuiper internet satellites.
Competition is good, BO just needs to actually do something besides launch phallic symbols
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Posted on 3/5/21 at 2:44 pm to DarthRebel
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NASA awarded BO with the moon lander contract,
This is not true. Well not entirely. They won the contract as much as SpaceX won the contract. The final down select to two providers is to occur in April.
Also, Starship will reach orbit before New Glenn reaches orbit. Book it.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 2:47 pm to MikeD
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All of it ends up as that nasty CO2.
https://www.onegreenplanet.org
We’ve seen that methane, which accounts for only 14 percent of emissions worldwide, traps up to 100 times more heat than carbon dioxide over a 5-year period. This means that even though carbon dioxide molecules outnumber methane 5 to 1, this comparatively smaller amount of methane is still 19 times greater a problem for climate change over a 5 year period, and 4 times greater over a 100 year period.
Burn it all!!!
Posted on 3/5/21 at 2:55 pm to oob02
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Also, Starship will reach orbit before New Glenn reaches orbit. Book it.
That is probably the safest bet ever.
Musk has a driving force in him to put a person on Mars in his lifetime. Pretty sure that is how he wants to be remembered. Perfection though failure.
Bezos loves space and the stars, but I do not think he is searching for a legacy. He wants to build out a long term human plan of Utopia. It is not a wrong idea, but it is a little SJWish which is why there seems to be a lack of progress.
At this point Musk is NASA of the 50s and 60s. Bezos is NASA post Challenger.
Posted on 3/5/21 at 3:10 pm to DarthRebel
Orbital and Northrop merged after Orbital-Aerojet fell out. Aerojet-Rocketdyne and Orbital ATK are the only manufacturers of solid rocket boosters...and there’s pretty much no way to get out of low earth orbit without those puppies. So IDK if it’s a two man race like the OP assumes. Many players in this fight.
This post was edited on 3/5/21 at 3:39 pm
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