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re: Southern's Band Director Allegedly Took Thousands in Kickbacks

Posted on 4/28/18 at 7:16 am to
Posted by GetBackToWork
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Posted on 4/28/18 at 7:16 am to
Gary defending in 3, 2, ...
Posted by iwishyouwould
Houston
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 4/28/18 at 7:19 am to
Funny you say that being that LSU took it and learned it from Southern.
Posted by NewIberiaHaircut
Lafayette
Member since May 2013
12321 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 7:22 am to
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What I'm doin'? Gettin' money
What we doin'? Gettin' money
What they doin'? Hatin' on us


Southern - Stuntin like my Daddy
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 4/28/18 at 7:30 am to
Why do people like southerns band? It's a bunch of fat dudes with tubas blaring whole notes
Posted by spslayto
Member since Feb 2004
21658 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 7:57 am to
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Last month, we spoke to Haymer involving allegations of kickbacks outside the Band Hall. 

"I'm an honest person," Haymer said. "I have integrity. Southern pays me well enough, and there's no need for me to get kickbacks."
He had to know someone would turn over the checks. Left a huge paper trail. He should have asked for cash.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 4/28/18 at 8:03 am to
Dindu Nathan
Posted by tLSU
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 4/28/18 at 8:06 am to
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"Yes, the 10 percent needs to be made payable to me so that the staff can be properly compensated," a text message quoted in the lawsuit from Haymer's phone reads. "I am asking for you to hide this 10 percent in your percentage charge from your business. If this can't be done, please let me know."


How does one not see that using the word "hide" in a text message about this could go south?
Posted by SATNIGHTS
Red Stick
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 4/28/18 at 8:07 am to
LINK

Vice did a special on the Bayou Classic. Interesting what he says around the 7 minute mark.
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 4/28/18 at 8:15 am to
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What he did is Felony Theft plain as day. He should be charged, convicted and sent to jail. But over at SU, the students are rallying in his defense.



Coaches make money on the side ALL the time...why cant a band director charge for his services?
Why should he be obligated to go to parades without being paid over and above his yearly salary.

Good for him
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 4/28/18 at 9:00 am to
Because he is using the band to make the money

Would you have been cool with les miles charging high schools money for players to go visit their kids and him just pocketing all the money?
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
18926 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 9:34 am to
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I bet Gravy ran to his defense.


Not unless he was promised a buffet ticket.
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 4/28/18 at 10:26 am to
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Coaches make money on the side ALL the time


No. They don't get to schedule extra games and keep the money.


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why cant a band director charge for his services?


Because it's not his fricking band.


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Why should he be obligated to go to parades without being paid over and above his yearly salary.


Because it's structured into his compensation, dumbass. I'm going to assume you're unemployed, because you don't get to charge extra personal amounts for providing the services of your employer. Do you think the deli manager at Publix can deny you access to the deli unless you slip him a $20? Do you think a car salesman can say "Congratulations on the new car. Now, just make a check out to me personally for $500 and I'll give you the keys"

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Good for him



Not really. He's pimping out an arm of publicly funded university for personal gain, which is FAR worse than the two scenarios above. You'd have to be pretty damn stupid to think this is okay.

This post was edited on 4/28/18 at 10:28 am
Posted by Cincinnati Bowtie
Sparta
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 4/28/18 at 10:44 am to
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Would you have been cool with les miles charging high schools money for players to go visit their kids and him just pocketing all the money?

Kinda sounds like football and baseball camps.
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 12:21 pm to
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Would you have been cool with les miles charging high schools money for players to go visit their kids and him just pocketing all the money?


That's exactly what he and all other coaches do at football camps...and they have their players help out
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 12:43 pm to
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Because it's structured into his compensation, dumbass


How can you say this? You dont have a fricking clue. You cant be dumb enough to think he has to show up at every single parade that SU decides the band will play in.

Yes, I know what hes doing was wrong, per se

I'm talking about his personal time. And being paid extra for extra work outside of the scope of his duties.

Bo telling where this will go, but I am willing to bet someone along the way allowed him to do this in some fashion.

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Do you think the deli manager at Publix can deny you access to the deli unless you slip him a $20?


So the Mardis Gras parades were on their campus?

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Do you think a car salesman can say "Congratulations on the new car. Now, just make a check out to me personally for $500 and I'll give you the keys"


No, but I think the salesman is reimbursed an additional amount of the dealer owner decides hes gonna stick a bunch of cars around New Orleans in parades and needs someone to watch over them, drive them, and handle everything for him.

You don't seem to grasp that these are not a normal part of the scope of his work. Holiday optional parades are just that.

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You'd have to be pretty damn stupid to think this is okay.


If it's against his contract directly, I don't think it's ok
I personally dont know what was in it for SU...neither do you. Do they usually get paid if their band matches in some obscure parade? Do they control that schedule? I'd do, what is the director obligated yo do? I think we all know it's not UNLIMITED for NON school events.

So, let's say I want the band to play at Contraband days parade in LC, and it's a holiday. What are the protocols for SU to be able to demand the band show up? Is it up to the director entirely at that point? If so, I absolutely have no problem with him asking for a fee for HIMSELF.
Did SU say, you can do these things, but if you decide to, you have to do it for free?

The kids on scholly cannot be paid per NCAA scholly rules, if I'm correct.

So why would I disagree with a person, taking time on his holiday, to do something OPTIONAL and requested, to be paid a fee for that sacrifice?

Yes, I do believe the university should be paid, then pay the money to him as a bonus, but something tells me that wasn't happening and wouldnt happen. So my boy went on his own.
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
23150 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 1:18 pm to
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That's exactly what he and all other coaches do at football camps...and they have their players help out




And it's written into their goddamned contracts, AND it doesn't remotely approach what you're talking about. The director isn't hosting a summer music camp for high school students. What he's doing is the equivalent of scheduling extra football games for his personal profit.

He is a full time year round employee of Southern University, and is compensated as such. That doesn't just mean 12 weeks in the fall. It's 52 weeks a year, and it's whenever and wherever they perform. It's his FULL TIME JOB.

And, for the record, he might very well have incentives built into his employment contract for a prestigious invitation. I doubt Mardi Gras would apply.
This post was edited on 4/28/18 at 1:31 pm
Posted by PolyPusher86
St. George
Member since Jun 2010
3357 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 1:27 pm to
Maybe so, but LSU refined it, cut the fat and the obnoxiously loud and out of tune horns, and added STTDB. What’s not to love?
Posted by Zap Rowsdower
MissLou, La
Member since Sep 2010
15616 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 2:32 pm to
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Gravy


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