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re: Southern Baptist Convention: IVF is a sin

Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:46 pm to
Posted by White Bear
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:46 pm to
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I'm not a theologian but I haven't read anything in that bible that prohibits this. I also haven't read a convincing argument in this thread.
“this” meaning IVF throwaways - I’d reckon hardliners consider it murder
Posted by PhysicsGuy
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 8:19 pm to
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Morality comes from God


How do you know that?
Posted by bayoubengals88
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:12 pm to
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How do you know that?
Because the alternatives are nonsensical.
Posted by PhysicsGuy
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 1:35 am to
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Because the alternatives are nonsensical.


Interesting, I would say claiming they come from God is nonsensical because it implies absolutism. Any cursory understanding of human history would quickly dispel you of the notion that human morality is either consistent or absolute.

Instinctual morality is almost certainly a trait that was, and still is, naturally selected as a favorable survival trait. Specifically, most immoral acts are acts of selfishness which would result in being expelled from early hunter gather packs and certainly be a death sentence. We observe this behavior today in nearly all other mammalian species.
This post was edited on 6/14/24 at 1:37 am
Posted by North Dallas Tiger
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 1:41 am to
Our conscience is what separates us from
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other mammalian species.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 4:23 am to
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Ivf in humans is playing god but artificial insemination of animals is a-ok. Make it make sense.


Eh let’s see:

1) God has dominion over man, man has dominion over everything else (see Genesis).


2) man has a soul, animals do not.


Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 7:30 am to
This thread is a pretty good read if you’re wondering why religion is dying
Posted by Rendlo
Member since Jun 2024
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 7:43 am to
This is completely anecdotal, but I've noticed in the past year or two, there seems to be more and more younger people joining the church than there was 10 years ago. At least in my small-ish city. I'd love to see some statistics but I can't find them.

I'm curious as to which comment type is pointing to dying religion?
Posted by bayoubengals88
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:12 am to
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This thread is a pretty good read if you’re wondering why religion is dying
It’s not. New Atheism is actually dying.
Posted by bayoubengals88
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:27 am to
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Instinctual morality is almost certainly a trait that was, and still is, naturally selected as a favorable survival trait.
It can, at the same time, come from God.
Posted by low end
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:28 am to
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It can, at the same time, come from God.


It could also not.
Posted by bayoubengals88
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:36 am to
You didn’t really interact yesterday when I pressed. I’d love to talk more with physics guy, but I’m with the family all day today.

My views:
Jesus Christ is the greatest example of a human who ever walked the earth.
He is also God incarnate.
Believing in him and following his path for us leads to ultimate human thriving.

It’s not restrictive for those who truly know him. It’s freeing.

Lastly, the happiest Christians are largely not Southern Baptists, but come from older expressions of the faith.
Posted by low end
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:38 am to
Thanks for sharing your views, I suppose.
Posted by bayoubengals88
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:43 am to
What are yours?
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:44 am to
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It can, at the same time, come from God.


But an instinctual morality is relative. Are you saying God's moral authority is both relative and objective?
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:44 am to
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man has a soul, animals do not.


How can a creature go to heaven if it has no soul?
Posted by low end
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:45 am to
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You’re taking what it says about slavery out of context and I don’t care to explain in length about what it says about slavery in the Bible.


I don't need you to explain something you don't fully grasp.

If the Bible contains instructions on what to do with slaves in certain contexts, then it condones slavery. There really isn't much nuance to it, unless you're speaking on chattel slavery vs. other kinds, which is really just splitting hairs.
Posted by mule74
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:46 am to
I grew up in the Baptist church and am currently going through IVF with my wife. frick these guys.
Posted by low end
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 8:49 am to
They're irrelevant.
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